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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 16:39 posted by Charles Stephens

  There is one more point I would like to bring up. Where as the Big Bang Theory does have actual evidence to back it up, in the form of Cosmic Background Radiation, and Red Shift. The other theorys I brought up, I.E: The Multiverse Theory, and M-theory, Only really work in math. It has no testable evidence to back it up. Does that make it automaticaly wrong? You would say that it does, and thus proving mine right because of your lack of evidence!
  
  There are two points I want to put up this time. The first is, even if there is no evidence to support or refute a hypothesis, doesn\'t mean that that evidence will not be found in the future. Especially if the Hypothesis works in MATH.
  
  Second, even if the hypothesis is wrong, dosent mean that there aren\'t better hypothesisie out there. You almost certainly do not need to envoke God to explain the phemomena that accur. This does not conflict with a belief in a god either. As you are discribing the way such a God made this to happen, much better than say he used his power or magic to do it.
  
  I do not belive that M-theory or Multiverse Theory are the exact anwsers, but instead think that they are close to the truth. If this turns out in practice to be wrong, then I will gladly turn away from them. Even better, I will learn from them.
  
  Science is not a belief because if you happen to find somthing wrong with a belief, then you mostly ignore it. Not so with a Theory. If you find somthing wrong with a theory, you are forced to rewrite or scratch it once and for all. ERGO: Science is not a Belief, and therefor is not a religion.
  
  Also, one note to the admins, I wish to know if you have a limit on the amount you can type. My first post seems to have gotten cut off...is it still there or did it actully get cut off for space. Please get back to me on that! =)

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 16:18 posted by Charles Stephens

  Hmm, I love this. I was once talking to a friend, and we were debateing. He brought a very good point onto me. I would try to prove my arguements but he would say: \"But you can\'t PROVE to me that this happened\" And nothing I would say would beat this. I couldn\'t prove that Hydrogen Fuses into Helium in the center of stars. Much less could I prove that the Big Bang is a massive expanditure of Space-Time. Needless to say, I lost that debate.
  
  But a curious thing happens when a scientific mind loses a debate. And this is what makes the scientific mind diffrent from the normal and religous minds. I thought over what I said, what he said, the points he brought up, the points I brought up. And I saw my Error, the same Error that you are using right now.
  
  Its simple, I relized nothing in science is ever PROVEN. At least, not in the tradition sence of the word. I relized that, a scientific theory is backed up by EVIDENCE this evidence in turn proves it.
  
  So, would you like to refraise that question and instead say: Show the EVIDENCE that proves your are correct?

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 15:21 posted by Richdisk

  Intelligent design: anything as complex as life MUST have been created. Examples used in the video - Ford truck, building, painting etc.
  
  Musn\'t God then, having created all the complexity of life, also be ultimately complex?
  
  Since you say complex things must have a creator, and God must be a complex entity - then who created God? And who created God\'s creator? And so on, and so on...?
  
  You scoff at \"nothing\" creating \"everything\", but accept this \"logic\"?
  
  Once again, help me understand.

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 13:47 posted by Kevin

  The origin of the universe is not something anyone can prove. Saying that everything came from nothing is impossible does not therefore mean that God exists. It just means we don\'t know what happened. You choose to believe something that is written in an old book... but you can\'t prove the existence of a God any more than I can prove it doesn\'t exist. We simply can\'t know. I apologize if I\'ve offended anyone. I\'m just trying to point out that the logic presented here has some flaws.

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 13:41 posted by Hargelon

  Mr. Johnson,
  I (obviously) am not Ray Comfort. However, I felt compelled to open a discourse with you. However, as I began writing my opening statement that would (I had hoped) initiate the dialogue, I took a moment to re-read your response to Mr. Comfort. With your statement, \"... your first question begs the question of whether
  everything was \'created\', and also begs the question of what is something and
  what is nothing,\" I determined that you are not rational enough to converse with. A very good day to you.

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 13:21 posted by Hargelon

  You claim you believe in science and the proof of science. Please make a Big Bang for me. I\'ll even settle for a Small Bang. You know, the kind that will make the birds and the flowers and the tigers and the stars and the clouds and the seashells and the mountains and the... well, you get my point. No \"bang\", however big, could EVER create something from nothing. To blindly accept science is just the same as blindly accepting religion. DO YOUR OWN STUDY. DO NOT TAKE ANOTHER\'S WORD. God says that those who seek Him will find Him. I pray you honestly seek TRUTH. The TRUTH will set you free.

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 13:15 posted by Hargelon

  PROVE to me that the \"Big Bang\" was \"a massive expanditure of Space-Time... yadda yadda yadda\". TRUE science MUST be repeatable. You cannot. Ergo: for all your arrogance and pseudo-science, you are nothing more than a believer in soemething you have neither seen nor heard. GASP! Your \"science\" is your religion! Wake up and delve deep. Look for TRUTH. Do not accept what others have told you. Find out for yourself. God says that those who seek Him will find Him. Have you ever even THOUGHT about doing some checking for yourself? or do you just consume whatever has been handed to you as long as it fits with your pre-conceived notions?
  I was a sceptic. I was a believer in the \"big bang\" and \"evolution\" until I took the time to study it for myself. I would challenge you to do it today. Do not wait. You never know how much time you have left on this planet. May God be with you and bless your efforts if they are sincere.

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• Comment Link Tuesday, 29 September 2009 10:10 posted by Alice

  Erica, I used to believe as you do many years ago well into my twenties. I accepted the many lessons I was taught in school about Darwin, evolution, the Big Bang theory and the rest of it unquestioningly. I slammed the door in the face of Bible-thumpers who dared to invite me to a Billy Graham crusade. Why then do I now write this reply to you as a Christ-believing woman? God loved me into a life changing faith, that\'s why. I recognize the tenor of your defensive answer, the knee-jerk response that basically says \"just leave me alone and let me believe what I want\". The problem is, when someone truly is a Christian and does what God commands to love other people, we cannot stand idly by watching you die in your sin and unbelief without at least telling you the truth about God\'s incredible love for you and his gift of salvation for eternity. If I am right, you have never read the Bible in any real sense for yourself. Since I am a stranger to you, you are unlikely to react positively or in trust to what I say. My prayer for you is that someone you truly love and trust will tell you the same truths so you can have the eyes of your heart opened and be saved. As was the case for me, your life will never be the same. No longer will you look suspiciously at other people, distrusting their motives. Your heart will be filled with love for acquaintances and strangers instead of selfish defensiveness. Find a Bible, Erica, and read it for yourself. Ask God to show Himself to you; He will and you will know He is real. All the supposed conflicts you have been erroneously taught that exist between the Bible and scientific facts are but babble and distract from the real issue--your destination for eternity.

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• Comment Link Monday, 28 September 2009 22:14 posted by Charles Stephens

  This is full of holes, its so holey, that it Looks like swiss cheese.
  
  Where to start, with the fact that most of the scientists that you mention were alive before our civilization existed in \"modern\" terms. Or that misconception that exists in the form of \"nothing created nothing.\"
  
  I\'ll start with the big bang. The Big Bang is not, in then traditional sense, an explosion. It is a massive expandature of Space-Time which releases large amounts of Matter-Energy into the that expandature. This hyperdense expanding miniverse soon, and when I say soon, expands into a universe like our own.
  
  Now you may say: \"but this expandature comes from nothing!\" Where as I replie: \"HA! Wrong!\" Warning, this concept I am about to talk about is extremly hard to imagine, and is on the border of inimaginablity. This universe exists as one of many. Each one has diffrent fundemental forces that govern how that universe evolves, some may have the same Laws, others diffrent. In between these universe is the perfect existance of the 11 demensions. Now these 11 demensions don\'t exist in harmony, and tend to break down into 5 and 6 demensions, thus becomeing another Universe. You can imagine this \"Multi-verse\" as a bunch of soap bubbles.
  
  I\'m sorry for being very confusing throughout this whole monolouge. It really is a difficult conscept to explain and understand. I didn\'t even bite into most of it. Let alone a small presentage of it. But the point is, I didn\'t once use the word \"Create\" because nothing is needed to \"Create\" these universie. That was just somthing I\'d like to point out.

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• Comment Link Monday, 28 September 2009 14:14 posted by srp2304

  Erica Ruth Badgerow said, \"Quote me where it says in your holy bible that god doesn\'t believe in atheists....\"
  
  Answer, Romans 1:18-25: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

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