Origin of Species Campaign Enrages Atheists
Origin of Species

An angry backlash from atheists has prompted best-selling author Ray Comfort to stop answering questions about a special edition of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species" he plans to give away on university campuses this fall.

"From now on I will refuse to answer questions about the book or its contents," Comfort said, "because there is such a deep-rooted anger in the atheist world about this publication.

"They desperately want to stop us," he said, "and I don't want to give away any further details regarding the campaign."

Comfort - host of "The Way of the Master" television show with actor Kirk Cameron and head of Bellflower, Calif.-based Living Waters ministry - is preparing a campaign Nov. 19 with Cameron to mark the 150th anniversary of "Origin of Species." They plan to distribute 120,000 copies of a special edition of Darwin's seminal book on 100 of the top university campuses across the nation.

They will be assisted by a few thousand volunteers, said Comfort, who wrote a 50-page introduction in which he says he provided evidence for intelligent design, the theory that the universe and life is the result of an intelligent creator.

Comfort, author of the newly released book "Nothing Created Everything," says atheists have discussed their strategy to combat his "Origin of Species" edition on Richarddawkins.net, the website of popular atheism advocate Richard Dawkins. Comfort dedicated "Nothing Created Everything" to the British biologist.

One post on a forum on Dawkins' website says of the "Origin" campaign: "If this outrages you, then you're not alone. There's something we can do though. We can amass as many of these books as possible, remove the 50 page intro, and then donate perfectly good copies of Origin of Species to schools, libraries, and Goodwill. We can actually make this into something positive."

The atheists are encouraging college students on campuses where the distributions are taking place to get as many copies of the book as they can.

"This is a shameful thing that Kirk Cameron and [Ray Comfort] are doing by altering another person's book in order to push their agenda," the post says. "But we can help to restore the book to how it was intended and keep young minds from being brainwashed by misinformation."

Comfort argues the book has not been altered at all.

"The 304-page publication will be Charles Darwin's every word - not one jot nor tittle will be removed," he said.

Comfort asks, "Besides, if they think my arguments have no merit, why are they so upset? They should actually enjoy the fact that I'm spreading more of my idiotic claims that intelligent students will see right through - that way my stupidity will be that much more apparent."

Comfort pointed out there have here been more than 140 individual publications of "Origin of Species," and many had introductions.

Comfort's introduction contains information from "Everything Created Nothing," which asserts "many scientists actually believe the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything."

He quotes a numbers of scientists making that assertion, including Dawkins.

"That is making them fume, because it shows that their theory is not at all intelligent," Comfort said.

Other atheist forums are calling for book burnings.

"I'm not into burning books, but this one deserves to be," wrote one contributor. "Anyone up for a large bonfire?"

Another warned "efforts at UC Berkeley will be met with unilateral resistance."

The comments sections at Comfort's Youtube.com pages, which are getting hundreds of thousands of views, are filled with hatred, Comfort says.

One atheist wrote, "Seriously, I hate Ray Comfort now. I mean really hate him. He might try and sound polite, and sound like he's just trying to reason with you and that he really cares about you. In reality, he's just trying to make himself feel that he's right. He's also very disrespectful (in a respectful manner) ... I hate Ray Comfort."



Comments (792)
  • eisoj  - PS
    i heard Comfort apologised for the banana thing in the hand out. about time,
    that was a pathetic attempt at logic that failed miserably (funny though, i'll
    give him that much).
  • eisoj  - bah!
    as if my massive rant gets cut out. Now im not in the mood. oh well, ive been
    silenced once again but it wont be the last time! one question to whoever wants
    to answer it (and im not trying to be nasty when i ask this). Why are christians
    so reluctant to read texts from other religions/atheists? Im pretty familiar
    with the bible ive read bits of the torah/koran/buddhist texts im currently
    reading dawkins' god delusion (its amazing). If your so sure what you believe is
    right what are you afraid of?
  • Antitheist1  - Your answer...
    Is change. Many were Galileo's contemporaries who refused to even look into his
    telescope, because they 'KNEW' there was nothing useful to be gleaned from it.


    I'm currently studying world history, and I notice that all religions that are
    widely embraced/tolerated by nations have two features; 1)They all tell people
    what being 'good' is, and list rewards and punishments (payable AFTER you die,
    and never by the person who tells you about it) and 2)a way to excuse social
    inequities, telling you to forget about what those big, mean, rich people are
    doing! They'll get theirs, again, AFTER they die.

    I wonder why various rich people are so eager to print up and give away this
    sort of thinking, hmm?
  • George Cranston
    ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD, THE FATHER,THAT IS THROUGH THE SON,JESUS................



    WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO SIGN YOUR REAL NAME???
  • Glen  - tired of asking
    "I spent many years as a believer! You claim that the Jesus dude negated the
    old stuff, right? But he's, like, the same guy as the old dude, right? So, like,
    um...did he ever apologize to all those kids he ordered to be executed, stoned,
    and burned alive (read the Torah)? Did he ever mention how he was wrong in

    killing ALL THE FIRSTBORN KIDS IN AN ENTIRE COUNTRY? I kinda think there shoulda
    been a bit of an "I have SINNED!" moment there somewhere."

    Copied and pasted comment by none other than Antitheist. Please note the first
    sentence. It is in the next thread after this one with the girl reading a copy
    of the give away.
  • Antitheist1  - Tired of saying...
    You told me that you really don't care if I get 'saved.' So why do you care if
    I don't answer your question?



    You answer me first, G-man;



    HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY HAVING POSSESIONS AT ALL WHEN JESUS TOLD YOU REPEATEDLY THAT
    YOU CANNOT BE HIS FOLLOWER WHILE YOU OWN ANYTHING?
  • Glen  - Care
    I realy don't waste time on things that have already been done. Jesus came to
    save the entire world including the ones that reject Him. See, God reconsiled
    Himself to the entire world through Jesus, who is also God. God manifested
    Himself in the flesh to accomplish the reconsiliation of His side. As in every
    relationship there are two sides. Now it is the individuals turn to accept or
    reject. For you it would be better if you did not accept Him than to accept Him
    and then reject Him.
  • Glen
    Answering my question is irrelevant. YOu pride and the integrity it brings will
    force you to save something.

    I am not concerned with you answering me. I am nothing. But you have stated
    that you were a believer. This it for those believers that have chastised me
    for calling you out. They must have missed the testimony By you about you.
    Since you claim to have been a believer in Jesus and not fircely cliam
    independence from the "Fairy tale" you have fit right into scripute and
    I want to teach them. You cannot be brought back to repentance. Unless this
    putative converion was false.
  • Glen  - now forthe yelling...
    1) did you just ask me to JUSTIFY something? remember justify vs redeem.

    2) This is a bigger question than you realize:

    a) I need to know from what text you were taught this rule,

    b) From the above statement it is clear you have been lied to and I need the
    listing in a) above to discover the lie and correct it,

    c) finally I will no justify anything. You are asking the wrong question.



    Lastly, why are you screaming at me? Since all of this is a fairy tale for you
    any way? Seems rather silly of you to be angry over that which you don't
    recognize as existing.
  • Glen  - About God
    One more thing I'd like to say concerning God and His manefestation in the flesh
    as a human. By doing this very act God has singed a covenant with humans. God
    will not act to destroy us as many try to get people to believe because God
    would also have to destroy Jesus, the very object of His love and Jesus is fully
    human. So many people cannot understand this and they have never been taught
    this so they really don't understand how big the covenant is nor how deep God's
    love is for humans. The signature on this covenant is His own blood, the blood
    of God manefested in human flesh, Jesus of Nazareth. That was and Is His part in
    our reconcilliation and it is also His work to redeem us from the powers of
    Satan; ie. sin and death.
  • Antitheist1  - Aaaargh!
    "I tell you the truth; it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle
    than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."



    Got an iPod? Cell-phone? Car? Holiday in Hawaii? Halogen street lights?
    Wrist-watch?



    King Soloman did not have these things; he couldn't afford them. You are filthy
    rich.



    Jesus said that you have virtually no chance of getting into heaven if you are
    rich.



    Where did I lie? Did the bible lie to me (shock)? I've asked you over and over
    and over to explain your possessions. It seems to me that any true believer
    would have long given up owning anything, because that multiplies heavenly
    treasure.

    Got stuff?
  • Glen  - still don't get it.
    Come on Anti you are better than this. What passeage are you talking about and
    what teching did you recieve as a result. These are simple questions. I can
    ealily see that you have been taught a lie. It is as clear as a cool clean
    glass of water. The bible did not lie to you. Possesions are NOT fobidden by
    Jesus (God). King Solomon had an entire country and all that entils. You
    cannot say he was not rich beyond me. Although he did not have the technology
    we have today he was far in excess of the technology of his day. Like comparing
    apples to oranges. Jesus did not say I have virtually no chance. You simply
    twist truth into lies and attempt to tech them.
  • Antitheist1  - I've listed...
    ...said passages, in full, with chapter/verse and version attached on the other
    thread.



    On the subject of riches, I refer you to Larry Niven's article on wealth. You
    can fly, Soloman could not, even with all the resources of his whole country.
    You can, and do, convert energy to work at a rate Soloman was incapable of. The
    only true measure of wealth is energy use. That is the only constant measure,
    the rest is variable (Roman soldiers were paid in salt, which is nearly
    worthless today, and certainly not a currency!).



    And all I did was tell you, verbatim, about the very thing you've been trying to
    sell me on...I notice that you aren't buying it, either.
  • Glen
    Again you are comparing apples to oranges and cannot unsderstand it. It is not
    thechnology that is being spoken of. And the lesson has nothing to do with his
    belongings.

    YOu are incapable of understanding it even whent told. There is no point in
    continuing a dialogue with you becasue you demonstrate an incabability to
    understand. No matter how I say it you'll fail every time to comprehend. The
    ability is not within you. You are devoid of the ability to comprehend.

    I said it as many ways a I could think of for brvities sake.

    Later pal.
  • Antitheist1  - And yet...
    ...it says what it says. If we are not allowed to interpret 'day' in Genesis,
    why should we be allowed to interpret 'rich man?'

    I know what you're saying, Glen, but you're dodging the issue. The bible
    states, in black and white, that rich men are nearly impossible to get into
    heaven. You are denying it says that, even when shown your own text. Thus, I
    postulate that you don't honestly believe in the text you are promoting. You're
    like Dick Cheney; deferred five times from 'Nam, then advocating war.
  • Glen
    THere is no Interpretation of "day' for me. If God cannot create everything
    you see in six of our Earth based days then He is not Big enough to be what he
    claims. \

    Since He is and He did Case closed.

    Again "rich man" is the only thing you can see. His riches were not the
    issue his heat was and if you were even remotely aware you would recognise that
    too.

    Ague the Possesions and "rich man" until you die. It won't change a
    thing.

    I also am not denying what is says. You slip falsehood into it and change what
    is seen and known into a lie. Just like Satan on the first day of mans
    rebellion.
  • Antitheist1  - His heat?
    What on earth are you talking about? The word 'heat' wasn't even mentioned! If
    you can't interpret 'day,' then why should you be allowed to interpret 'rich
    man?'

    And the pity is that I know it won't change a thing; you will not give up being
    a rich man, and you'll do any measure of self-justification to do it. Face it,
    deep-down, you know that noone will provide for you if you don't provide for
    yourself.

    And since you feel the need to compare me to a fictional character, I'll compare
    you to one!

    I hearby dub thee...VOLTRON!
  • Glen
    Spelling error...HEART. my bad.

    And this rich man thing you got going on is dubious at best. really anti you
    really need to dicard all the crap that was beaten into you for you sake. Come
    on. This rich man teaching that you are stuck around is false. Unwrap your
    brain and see the issue of this man worshipping his money and Earthly possesions
    in front of God. That means instead of God. In this case it really looks like
    God reall is worshipped, just secondarily to the Earthly things. Since God isn't
    placed first the heart is stuck and cannot follow Jesus. We all must give up
    this Idol(s) and put Jesus there first. Once that is done, Anti, your answers
    will come.

    Now that was an attempt to convert you.
  • Glen
    I went looking in the "other thread" --there are several--and i found
    nothing. Seks to me that you'd waste fewer words trying to dircert me and just
    list what it is you are refering to AND the lesson you were taught.

    But I know you won't. So I'll just assume you don't have a clue. really no
    different than any other day
  • Antitheist1  - So you've failed...
    So far, I've just been unimpressed with your arguments, Glen. They've all been
    nothing other than 'My view is correct, you are a fool for not believing it,
    when you show me something, you're just lying, and you're gonna go to hell for
    not believing my view. And I don't have to tell you why.'

    You demand references for my statements, which I have provided, then refuse to
    back anything you assert up, calling me lazy, as you refuse to even take the
    time to read over your own posts to check for typos.

    You see, when we've discussed topics other than my damnation and 'cluelessness,'
    you seem like a decent guy with a good sense of humour. Apply that decent
    guyness elsewhere, and you might just gain some respect.
  • Glen
    I don't require your respect.

    I am not arguing nor debating with you. All i do is tell you the truth and
    whatever you choose for a response is entirely up to you. Your response does not
    change the truth.

    I have not failed. Jesus did not fail either. You have lost your way in the
    niose of this place and you have chosen the path to destruction. That isn't
    fail either. It simply is your direction. Only the power of the Holy Spirit
    coupled with your repentance will change that. Nothing else. Thanx for the
    comlement. I am really kinda cool, not, ANd I actually won home coming king
    honors, not, and was on the football team, not, I was the star QB, not, and I
    also was a leading scorer in basketball, not, just an all around perfect guy,
    not. lol.
  • Antitheist1  - Wildly Successful Origins Giveaway
    ...is the title of the 'other thread,' and my commentary, with citations, is
    given in response to your post, which finished with the following paragraph;



    "Eternal torture is not the lot of those that know why Jesus came. And so
    that

    you'll now--PAY ATTENTION--Jesus came to break the power of Satan not humans.

    Humans are captives, Satan is the jailer. Jesus destroyed the power of the

    jailer. Wake up."

    By all means, keep telling me how I lie, while you refuse to look.
  • Antitheist1  - ...and...
    ...I stand by everything I wrote above.
  • Lindsey Winchester  - LOVE!
    Although I do not know much about the Bible. I know one thing and that is that
    EVERYTHING was created by God! The reasons why things look the same and have the
    same features is because we came form one creator. I am so incredibly happy
    that this book was giving out. I wish I was out doing more to save the lost. The
    end is coming, and believers need to do all we can to plant seeds in others.
    The day when Jesus arrives I hope that every atheist with fall to their knees
    and prays God, because they were told it was going to happen. Atheist usually
    have to have see things to believe (by the way just by looking at nature one can
    see we were created by God) So the day they see the rapture, BE READY!
    I just wanna say that I am speaking for myself.
    And I love and hope that every person will one day be in heaven :)
    GOD BLESS EVERYONE!
  • Antitheist1  - Thomas..
    ...was still an apostle...
  • Ed Smith  - Every knee shal bend, every head will bow
    Lindsey,

    They will every atheist, every person who shook his or her puny little hand at
    God. Will one day fall on bended knee and bow their heads and proclaim Jesus as
    KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS.
  • VillageTree  - Um..
    'Although I do not know much about the Bible'... ?

    Why are Christians so often so undereducated about their own faith?
  • Glen  - The problem....
    I have been trynig to listen to "the preoblem" with several of the
    posters that stand against God whilst in these threads. I then get caught up in
    the arguments rather than listening for "the problem". Recently I have
    withdrawn greatly so as to refocus. As a result I have heard a very interesting
    answer. Antithesists and Athiests are all seeking Justification for this place
    and God. God does not give justification to man. God gives as a gift to man
    Redeem-tion. God redeems this place for man out of love. Because man fouled it
    up. God did not justify He redeemed! Should the antitheist and/or Athiest even
    realize that miracle made from God by God and for man to God's glory then they
    will be most definatley melted. And God chose the Jews as the people's from
    which all redeemtion comes.
  • Antitheist1  - Whoa!
    Strangely enough, I'm a Jew by blood. DON'T WORRY, GLEN! I'LL BRING YOU YOUR
    LADLE-FULL O' REDEMPTION!

    I'm not seeking redemption from anyone! I've done that, and am doing that for
    myself! I seek no justification! Rationalle gives all the justification I
    need.

    I just LOVE how you keep 'Solving the problem' of atheism. I'm still an
    atheist. You obviously haven't solved a thing. If you had, I'd be assimilated,
    Borg-like, into your collective, now wouldn't I?

    But keep trying! Your material is pure gold for my stand-up routine!
  • Glen
    You are sealed and I am not trying to unseal you. It is not my job. But thanks
    for giving me more info on your condition. Just so that you know...I did not
    solve the problem Jesus of Nazareth did. You are just too blind to comprehend
    it. ANd nothing will open your eyes. I really don't wish for you to be saved,
    but Jesus does. And that is the truth. It is not my butt on the line. So have
    at it son. Knockourself out.

    Your rationalle gives you justification. lol. Of corse you are not seeking
    redemtion. No one is. That is why Jesus was redeeming while people were right
    in the middle of killing Him. Jesus did for us what we don't understand we need
    and then He gave it to us as a gift. Don't forget gifts can be returned.
  • Antitheist1  - Information...
    I haven't hid anything about my past. I've answered all questions put to me,
    and honestly. Don't think for a second that getting information out of me is
    some sort of coup.

    And you think that justification comes from...irrational positions? I use my
    head, then I make a decision, and I act on my decision. The 'thinking' part of
    the equation justifys the 'doing.'
  • eisoj  - atheist test
    I read the brochure 'the atheist test' which i believe was adapted from the book
    'God doesn't believe in atheists'. I have to admit it made me giggle. How can
    anyone honestly pass this off as being insightful in any way? I mean, I've never
    come across such a blatant insult to the human intellect. The agruements are so
    transparent, contadicting or just plain weak. Some of the arguements can easily
    be spun around and used against christanity, so in effect the author is his own
    worst enemy...
    Only chritians could find any wisdom in this book because they've spent their
    lives listening to this twisted logic and actually think it makes sense. If you
    wanted to convince an athiest of God's existence prove it through nature or
    science or God forbid logic. Not ridiculous nonsense about the banana being an
    'athiest's nightmare' WTF? tapered at the ends for easy of access, shaped for
    the human hand, changes colour depending on ripene...
  • Antitheist1  - Well...
    ...I gotta admit that Ray Comfort is a good public speaker. The 'Banana Shpeel'
    WAS funny! If entirely non-sensical. That said, I'm convinced that religious
    people actually make their arguments poor ON PURPOSE! If their rationalle was
    rational, then everyone would follow it, and the whole point of belonging to
    x-sect would be defeated! You can't be part of the 'in-group' if everyone
    belongs to it, now can you?
  • Scott  - The proof of the message's validity is ...
    in the atheists' fear of what God (through Ray) might be able to say and prove
    in just 54 pages. If the consequences weren't so serious, it would be truly
    hilarious!
  • Antitheist1  - YES! I'M AFRAID!
    Which is why I've run so far from it. And I found it hilarious, regardless.
  • Junno  - Volunteer
    i want to help distrubute this powerful information to my college & any local
    ones in my area. so please send me the contact info necessary to participate
    with this movement about the true Origin of Species, thank you sincerely John.
  • Antitheist1  - WWJND?
    Here's a bit of information, well researched and listed with
    citations...consider....



    http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector#p/u/ 6/zOfjkl-3SNE
  • Antitheist1  - BEHOLD!!!
    Uh...just to show you guys that I'm a normal human being, here's a link to a
    guitar solo of mine, done in acoustic. This is the terrifying face of the
    Antitheist1!



    http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/1/miyavi-sla p-by-ceevro-1626009



    Again, check for unintended spaces put in by the program.
  • Glen  - Guitar
    Anti how long have you been playing?

    I did not listen but I watched. You have a real gift there pal.

    And you're young.



    very cool.



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  • Antitheist1  - Guitar...
    I started playing when I was 6, so well over 20 years. There's another flamenco
    tune up there on that site, just look under 'More from this user.' For the
    record, it's better with sound...
  • Antitheist1  - Oh..
    ...and I should say 'Thanx' for the compliment. Thanx!
  • Glen
    I too play. But not as well as you do. I wanted to watch your technique rather
    than be distracted by the sound. It was really cool watch your actions. The
    way you worked the instrument. mayby I'll go back and listen to the sound some
    other time. And I do understand that the reson one plays an instrument is to
    make sound. Really I could almost hear it without the speakers. Some really
    cool open string picking patern(s). What was your tuning for this bit? I am
    guessing open E.
  • Antitheist1  - Nope.
    Standard tuning, dropped down a half-step. The whole thing is actually done on
    only the E and A strings, and the keying isn't all that tough. The percussion,
    on the other hand, took me almost two months to get down, and I still need to
    speed it up a bit.
  • Antitheist1  - OH!
    ...And the same offer applies to you, G-man; if you want to learn how I do what
    I do, I'll set up some e-videos to upgrade your guitar skills, no fee involved.
  • Glen  - Cool
    HAlf step heh? very cool. That's the magic with a guitfiddle. One can always
    change up the tunings.

    Thanx for the offer of upgrading my skills. I must decline. I just don't have
    the time like I use to. Too many other things hold my attention now. So when I
    do get to play a little it is just stuff I already know. I'll learn something
    new once every three or four months or longer.

    I go so long that my wrist hurts from holdin barr chords. I am sooo old. Not
    really 45. Old enough.
  • Antitheist1  - Guitfiddle
    I'm shamelessly stealing that term.

    You know, my first guitar was a Fender 12-string. I'm telling you, that thing
    tore up my fingers to play. Literally. But I played it constantly, until I was
    called up to test for my black belt. I was too poor to afford the fee, so I had
    to sell my guitar to get my black belt. Ever see a black-belt breakin' bricks
    bare-handed while bawlin' (nifty bit o' alliteration, that!)? You woulda seen
    it that day...

    I finally got ahead enough last November to finally buy a guitar worth
    playing...
  • Glen
    Mine was a crappy six string that some guy gave to my sister in an attempt to
    ...well you know. I then bought an Electric guitar form the '80's era; Daion
    guitars Power Mark XX I love it; followed by an Alvarez acoustic followed by an
    Epiphone Les Paul--very recent.

    Anti go look up the Daion guitars online. You won't find lots but there is one
    really good site that I cannot recall. It is a sweet vintage model. Can't
    hardly find them.

    GUITFIDDLE...my dad calls it that. You are welcome to it.

    Playing is all about string action and set-up. Play on!
  • Antitheist1  - WHOOPS!
    Got moved to the top there, and I forgot the citation!



    Prof. Robert M. Hazen, George Mason University. Start with his his course, the
    Joy of Science.
  • Antitheist1  - Blue and Red...
    This is known as the Lorentz factor. E=M(CC). As a source of photons
    approaches the speed of light in relation to the observer, the photons are
    squeezed together (shorter wavelength) resulting in a shift to higher energies
    (towards the "blue" end of the spectrum, for easy explination, but often
    more like gamma in reality). The opposite happens when objects move away. This
    factor goes pretty much unnoticed in everyday life, but it is constantly
    corrected for in particle accelerators, where the streams of particles often get
    compressed at velocities approaching the speed of light. At 1mps, the
    correction is 0.97 to the -10. At light speed, it is 0. Thus objects
    disappear, or do not exist at the speed of light.
  • Glen  - Hmm
    Must be a misuderstanding there. I am quite familiar with red shifted and blue
    shifted light. I thought you were saying they coexisted on opposite sides of a
    galaxy. Same thing as the Doppler effect with sound.

    You lost me at the objects disapering in particle accelerators biz.

    What I don't buy is how you accelerate what is not there. Once you accelerate
    past the 0 correction factor and nothing is there what are you accelerating? I
    am very limited in particle accelerator physics. Got no mo jo there.
  • Antitheist1  - Mojo!
    Yes, there is a measurable red/blue shift on opposite sides of spinning
    galaxies, which we can use to extrapolate the speed, size, and distance of the
    galaxy in question. This is how we get the age of the known universe at around
    14.5 billion years. Yes, the Loretz factor is close to the Doppler effect, but
    takes place at speeds we can't really comprehend. The reduction to 0 at light
    speed is one of the consequences. The other consequence is that the energy
    involved must be infinite at light speed. Past light speed, the energies and
    sizes reverse, so objects can exist faster or slower than light, but not AT
    light speed, meaning there's no way to cross the barrier, theoretically.
  • Antitheist1  - Oh yeah...
    ...what is REALLY strange is that the center of galaxies shift MORE than the
    extremities! This is the tidbit of info that has lead astrophysicists to
    speculate that some 90-95% of the mass of the universe is unaccounted for...



    And you were dead right, G-man; the effect is in fact called the Doppler shift,
    even when it applies to light waves. The Lorentz factor is how one calculates
    for it.
  • jim  - who's the idiot
    I'm sure we all have heard that one should never argue with an idiot,because
    someone

    may be watching who doesn't know which one is the idiot.

  • Mandrake  - Jews
    Do you hate Jews?
  • Antitheist1  - By blood...
    ...I am Jewish. Part of my family came from the Rhineland in Chechoslovakia.
    Only three members of my ancestors made it out before the Nazis killed all the
    Jews in that area. I know nothing of my family history before that time.

    As for antisemitism; no, not specifically. I'm convinced that ALL religions, of
    all stripes are harmful, and that humanity would be better off if we did away
    with such wasteful superstition. Note, this is nothing against the people, but
    rather against the religious beliefs. I do not think that violence is an
    efficient way to solve problems, and I wish no harm on anyone.
  • glen
    Violence is not an efficient way to solve problems yet you are a martial arts
    expert?



    weird!
  • Antitheist1  - Absolutely!
    The martial arts are not systems of fighting. They are systems of stopping the
    violence as quickly as possible in order to get back to peace. The problem of
    violence is one we've not yet solved, but I consider the efforts of martial
    artists to be the longest-running, best-funded, most-expansive, and
    broadest-based scientific study in world history. There is not a single system
    of learning that has not been directly affected by the efforts of those people
    concerned with this study. Everything from psychology to medicine to
    engineering to communications owes many of it's base principles to the martial
    arts, as practiced throughout the world. I'm proud to be considered an expert
    (if not a foremost one) in the field.
  • Glen
    Are you CHuck Norris?



    I'll bet you are!



    I hear even the dark is afraid of you!
  • Antitheist1  - Nope.
    Chuck Norris has gone the way of the christian evangelist, which is his choice,
    though not one I'd make myself.

    That said, I heard he once shot down a German helicopter by pointing at it and
    shouting, 'bang.'
  • Glen
    Norris jokes are great. Love 'em!



    BTW I knew you weren't Chuck. Because he is Christian.



    Good of ya to have a little fun though.
  • Antitheist1  - WOW!
    I go two 'dislikes' on the above post! Man, information is sure problematic!



    For the record, the study in which they showed that chickens have genes for
    teeth also showed that when other genes are activated, they grow tails, and
    thier feathers regress into scales. Wierd, eh? Wonder why they'd have those
    genes?
  • Antitheist1  - Whoa!
    ...and a 'dislike' on this post, too! Someone sure hates DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT
    YOU CAN SEE, NOW, WITH YOUR OWN TWO EYES that chickens came from reptiles!
    Wonder if they'd dislike the theory that LIGHT must come from a LIGHTSOURCE if
    it disproved the creation myth (it does! C'mon, ask me to prove it!)?



  • Glen  - Seriously pal!
    Really? Light must come from a source? Naw! You kidding right? Of course it
    come from a source pal. So let's hear your wonderful little shpeal! I am
    quivering in anticipation of this.

    Show me your wonderful little disproof of creation by telling me that Light
    comes from A Source! A beginning! Tie me up in nots over this pal!

    Chomp! Chomp! That's me chomping at the bit!

    Remember it comes from a source.
  • Antitheist1  - "Let there be..."
    "...LIGHT!" First words spoken in the bible. This states that light
    came before the SOURCES (Sun, stars) which were created LATER. Gen 1:3. Then,
    water, day and night, dry land, fruit trees and herbs. Gen 1:6-13. Now, AFTER
    THAT (remember, plants photosynthesize, which is the definition of a plant,
    which requires SUNLIGHT!)god creates the heavenly bodies and seasons. Gen 14-18
    So, according to the bible, PLANTS, which require sunlight, existed before
    STARS, and day and night occured before there was a SUN, which causes day and
    night.



    Can you follow me, Glen? Plants, day and night, seasons, liquid water, active
    geology. All before there was a sun.



    But don't worry, you can just ignore this one, like you do with any question
    that involves actual thinking. Just keep praying for the demons that have
    obviously blinded me to facts to leave.
  • glen  - Photons
    Your assumption is that a star is required to manufacture a photon. What about
    Chemilluminescence? You can find this process in Lightening bugs. No sun
    involved. Interestingly the enzyme catalyzing the reaction is called
    Luciferase. Get It...Lucifer--ase.

    Conditional arguments can only afirm the anticedant.

    Bible verses: I must go and study these passages then I'll coment on them later
    so be patient.

    off the cuff, the one speaking the light into being, God, comes before the light
    and is therefore the source.
  • Antitheist1  - Chemilluminescence...
    ...relies on atoms produced only in stars during the late-stages of fusion
    (novae). Our sun currently sends little more than hydrogen and helium atoms our
    way, meaning the other elements must have come from elsewhere.



    And I'm glad to give you the time needed for additional comment, however I must
    note that even if plants bioluminesce, they produce nowhere near the amount of
    light needed for photosynthesis, and those fireflies you mentioned weren't
    around until the fifth day, biblically speaking. Geologically speaking, though,
    marine arthropods may have been around before surface plants.
  • Glen
    Again to skirt the issue and the point.





  • Antitheist1  - Right.
    Which is, as far as I'm concerned, that creation simply could not have occured
    in the way the bible states it did. I might accept the idea that the scripture
    is an allegory, but literal interpretations are like stating that 2+2=5.
  • Antitheist1  - And I'm still waiting...
    ...for your well-thought-out refutation here. Remember, if you side with a
    bronze-age textbook here, you refute the sciences of chemistry, biology,
    geology, botany, physics, and simple mathematics. To side with your bronze-age
    textbook, you must admit that you place no stock in what you can count for
    yourself. In essence, if the bible is literally true, you believe that 2+2=5,
    and anyone who doesn't follow your logic is justified in being tortured for all
    eternity.



    So what is it, G-man? Are the KNOWN, OBSERVABLE, RECORDABLE, MEASURABLE natural
    particle accelerators known as supernovae responsible for the formation of atoms
    larger than carbon, or are the people who core antarctic glaciers up to several
    hundred thousand years worth of layers just unable to count past 6000 because a
    bronze-age murderer said so?
  • fixxser  - "Let there be..."
    in our reality or dimension, light was created or appeared. It could have been
    anything else like anti-mater. It describes the species "light" so to
    speak. Creation of waves and/or vibrations. The existence of is what it is
    describing.
  • Antitheist1  - In that case...
    ...quantum theory/big bang theory tend to agree. It appears that 'quanta' are
    the smallest possible subatomic particles, and that they consist of nothing
    but...condensed energy. That energy travels in waves, or creates mass.
    Basicly, the universe consists of nothing but wave energy. I've heard this
    called 'light,' by some, 'tones,' by others. Weirdly enough, they amount to the
    same thing.
  • Glen  - Citations
    Citaitions please!
  • Antitheist1  - I suppose...
    ...that if you want to argue a point with me, I'll have to ask you to give
    citations as well. If you want to take this into direct scientific debate, I'm
    willing to go there, but I don't feel that submitting every post in APA format
    aids the understanding of the average reader here.



    That said, in your special case, I'll provide citations if you'll do the same
    for me.
  • glen
    So glad to be soo special, gin=ves me warm fuzzies. tahnx buddy.

    Agreed! citations war at hand...Daaa, Da,Da.

    I just want to read the scientific paper that demonsrtate the teeth growing
    outta the critters. and most importantly how they did it!



  • Antitheist1  - For a little fuel on the fire...
    ...here's a prime example of why I find religion harmful (please check for
    unintended spaces...)



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nraknWoes&feature =player_embedded
  • Antitheist1  - SPACE!
    In this case one was put in in front of the = sign. I'd like to believe that
    that's just the program for the blog acting up....
  • kb
    You know, they say we don't have proof there is a God, well, they have no proof
    of evolution! It is still just a theory! And it takes so much faith to believe
    it! And such things as the very obvious design in the world, and things like
    the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics seems pretty obvious which side is more logical.



    You should all read Josh McDowell's book Evidence That Demands a Verdict.
  • Antitheist1  - Thermodynamics...
    ...states that you can't get something from nothing. Where did your deity come
    from?



    Oh. Sorry. Don't use thermodynamics to prove a position wrong if it really
    just proves there is no god.

    As to where the energy comes from for evolution; the answer is "The Solar
    Economy." That's a chapter name in Dawkins book, TGSOE. We got the energy
    from the sun, which is being burned up in a nuclear fireball. The second law is
    not broken by evolution. Try again!
  • Anonymous  - Where did God come from?
    That is an interesting question. God = the ever existing one. Your asking,
    when did the ever existing one begin to exist? The question doesn't make sense.
  • Antitheist1  - Exactly.
    The problem is that there seems to be a start to everything. Noone knows how it
    started. So the religious people answers the question by inserting the most
    powerful and complex thing EVER into the equation.

    I see no reason there has to be such a thing to solve the problem. The fact is
    that neither of us know, but I'm just honest enough to admit it.
  • Glen  - wrong again
    No, the fact is both of us know, meaning you and I, but one has outright
    rejected it; that would be you! As for anonymous, I think he should be included
    in the "I" category not the "you" one. Jesus is god incarnate
    so that there will be not excuses and antitheiset you have already been taught.
    You alreaduy know and you have rejected it. You have sealed your own fate. To
    say "we" don't know is unmitigatedly wrong!

    Finally there is no problem. For you I can see how it is a dilema. It must be
    answered so that you are not responsible for your actions.
  • Antitheist1  - My actions...
    ...are things you know nothing about. I save lives for a living. Praying
    doesn't save lives. Defibrilation does. Condemning doesn't make people feel
    better. Listening to them does. The bible doesn't teach people history.
    Geology does. Religion doesn't help people. Action does.



    DO! Don't hope god will do.



    I'm not a bad person, Glen. I act on what I can see. I see no god. I see
    religion killing people. I see creationism sabotaging science. I see your
    words condemning me for seeing.
  • Glen
    Stop it your making me cry.

    IT is good to see that truth can open the eyes of science

    You cannot see God becasue you are blind. You act on falshoods so all you get
    is falshood.

    Glad you save peole's lives for a living. That ias a very admirable job. Now
    get your butt down to Haiti! RIGHT NOW!! Just kidding. I would be willing to
    bet that you only set the body up to do the saving while you wait and see what
    happens. The body actually does the rest.
  • Antitheist1  - There is that.
    I'd love to go down to Haiti right now. I've already sent a few bucks to the
    Red Cross, but I'm unable to abandon the people who need me here.

    And it is agreed, all medicine can do is provide a body with the chance to heal
    itself. All that Emergency Medicine (my field) can do is keep the body from
    dying long enough to get it to a surgeon, and attempt to make sure it doesn't
    get any worse.

  • donovan  - saving lives
    I think the bottom line here isn't about what we do, and how "good" we
    are. (good compared to what? i ask) the question that i ask is, the lives
    that we save, what are we saving them from? As for "religion" killing
    people, Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people. Thant sounds so
    cliche' i know. You can't base the principals of Christianity, (notice i didn't
    use the word religion) on the actions of "man" who is flawed in every
    way imaginable no matter how hard he/she tries.
  • Clark  - Foul
    "I'm not a bad person Glen. I act on what I can see..."



    Okay so let's state the facts about you:



    1. You are a physician.

    2. You charge for your services.

    3. You make people feel better by listening.

    4. You take action.



    As you, I save lives for a living and have an opposite view. Therefore, you
    cannot use the "I am a physician" and thus the "authority" on
    everything position.



    I would also argue that you also take action on things you cannot see. You
    treat common infection empirically, do you not? Did you personally read every
    clinical trial, or did you simply trust Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and the FDA when you
    prescribed that antibiotic? Were you certain the cause of the infection was
    bacterial or could it have been viral? How were you so confident in your
    decision? Was it by clinical proof in each individual patient? Experience?
    Faith in what someone...
  • Antitheist1  - Physician...
    ...sorry, but wrong. I'm an emergency medic. When your heart stops, I show up
    with paddles. When you get stabbed, I apply the occlusive dressings. When you
    have a psychotic episode, I strap you down so you don't hurt yourself and
    others. Then I deliver you to a physician.



    Unlike physicians, I don't have the luxury of 'trying' new prescriptions. The
    bleeding stops, or it doesn't. You can breathe, or you can't. I get seconds to
    get results, and trust me, I can see if what I did worked. Pfizer doesn't
    bother with my ilk.



    BTW, your church leader charges for his services, too! Ray comfort charges $150
    bucks to give you a internet course that shows you how to do his job for him.
  • Glen  - I'll try you!!!
    Using a law that is inside the coke can to vianly attempt to disprove what is
    outside the coke can. No of corse not. You are only telling me what God's
    creation is 1) able to do and 2) not able to do. This law states nothing about
    what God is nor does it explain what He can do!!!!!!

    Becaus He is outside the coke can, pal!

    And you are still seared!
  • Antitheist1  - The universe...
    ...is a little bigger than a Coke can. However, the laws of physics apply on
    both sides of the can.



    There's still no god. So he can do nothing.



    And I'm still waiting for your explination of radioactive isotope dating
    methods. Where did all those dinosaur fossils come from? If light travels at a
    constant speed in a vacuum, and does that mean that you think that the
    dimensions of the universe are less than 7000 light years? And how would you
    explain the blue/red shift on opposite sides of rotating galaxies? And the
    appendix (I did some research) does indeed aid in digestion. But only for other
    primates, not in humans.



    I'm waiting with baited breath for YOUR explination, based on creationism, of
    these questions!
  • Glen
    Carbon dating is based on an assumtion of the total quantity of C14. Science
    does not actually know how much was made in the beginning. I don't have a clue
    where dino bones came from. It is a curiosity to me. Since God can create a
    star by speaking it into existance do you also think he can create the light in
    between? I am unfamiliar with this blue/red shift on opposing sides of rotaing
    galaxies can you explain or cite a reference? And the apendix does more than
    digestion. did you also find the immune system connection? I think I also
    stated that some scientist suggested than it STORES bacteria for the hind gut.

    smell ya later! baited breath get it?
  • Antitheist1  - Total quantity...
    ...C14 essentially dissapears after about 50-60,000 years (remember, with all
    radiometric dating an error margin of about 1% is the range) and is renewed by
    solar wind in the atmosphere, which is why it still exists (Dawkins, TGSOE) and
    gets taken up by organisms as they resperate and ingest. They stop taking in
    the C14 at the moment of death, thus zeroing the clock and allowing us to date
    the sample.



    I'll tackle blue/red shift next...
  • Glen
    I did not know rocks ate and breathed. Thanks for the info.

    Zeroing the clock at what total amount of carbon14? Does all matter injest the
    exact same quantity of C14? Do I have exactly the same as you? Or even An
    Elephant? Or a Whale or a mouse. Seriously anti. The assumtion is flawed and
    sets the calculation off not because of the total C14 in me but the assumtion of
    the half life.
  • Antitheist1  - Breath of Rocks
    No, rocks don't breathe, and they cannot be used in c14 dating, only organic
    materials can. If you're looking to see if you have the same amount of C14 as a
    whale, then I suppose that it might be worth noting that you also do not have
    the same amount of skin as a whale. Or blood. Or nerves.

    However, pound-for-pound, the ratios would look a lot more similar.

    But you know this. Due to constant rates of decay and replenishment of C14, the
    level remains pretty much constant on the time scales we're dealing with here,
    worldwide. C14 is taken up by organic molecules, and degrades at a fixed rate.
    There's no flaw in the assumption that I can think of. If you can truly point
    one out, please tell me before you publish the scientific paper that will make
    you rich.
  • Glen
    I am not saying the half lif is wrong. It is a calculation and a very wide
    berth is given to it for error. So these guys base the time on a rate they can
    only observe over a very short interval, then guess at the total. 5,730 years
    is the reported half life of C14. No one lives that long. So after that
    interval 1/2 of the total is left. the next 5730 year for 1/2 of the rest so
    that is an even smaller amount gone. It gets smaller and smaller this way. So
    your time scale is all based of these assumptions of rate calculated by
    observation of this decay for an interval of time insignificant to the half life
    itself much less the total decay time. this is a big problem.
  • Antitheist1  - Not really..
    There are other isotopes with half-lives that are much shorter, sometimes even
    measured in pico-seconds. We can observe radioactive decay in various forms,
    and the math is solid. As to error margins; 1% is the average margin of error.
    No, not perfect, but enough to show conclusively that geological time is
    measured in billions of years, not thousands.
  • Antitheist1  - And, well...
    ...the science of dendrochronology (counting and matching tree rings, which IS
    accurate to the nearest year, and sometimes even to the nearest season, and can
    be used without gaps up to 11,000 years thus proving the creationist timeline
    wrong with simple addition) has been used to calibrate the rates of C14 dating,
    giving an independant measurement of their accuracy.



    But you don't want to know that. If counting proves that the bible is not
    literally true, well, I expect that you'll find some way to prove that counting
    is scientifically unsound.



    Perhaps our eyes are tricked by the devil, leading us to count the same ring
    4000 times, which makes up the remaining year, eh?
  • Antitheist1  - OH!
    And could you cite the article on the appendix? I checked through wikipedia,
    then followed their sources...
  • Renato
    In the book Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 and 2 it reads: "In the beginning God
    created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and
    darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
    face of the waters." There are two theories regarding these particular
    scriptures. The first is what most people believe, that God was creating the
    earth and began to add to what was void and formless. And the second is God
    would never create something void and formless so something must have happened
    prior to it becoming that way.( I tried to explain it the best way I could lol).
    So with that being said, if the earth already had form and was in existence God
    may have already created dinosaurs and other things of such that we still find
    fossils for. Also it would also explain the carbon dating. But like we all say
    no one will know until we meet God. But I kinda agree with the second theory
  • Antitheist1  - Valid...
    ...but therein lies the problem! If theory two is incorrect, then it means that
    the whole story is an allegory, and therefore open to interpretation, and if one
    part of the bible is allegorical, then maybe other parts are, too! You end,
    quite quickly, in a situation where nothing in the bible can be taken without
    interpretation, and the whole thing is little more than a moral tale.

    Which is why it would seem that creationists will look at several hundred
    thousand layers of annual snow-pack in glacier core samples, dinosaur bones,
    plate tectonics, astronomy, and even human structures dating back tens of
    thousands of years and swear up and down that the very things they are holding
    in thier hands are not real: it would make a single item in their storybook
    false, and the whole thing would fall apart.



    Many were the naturalists who refused to even look in Gallileo's telescope,
    because they already knew the instrum...
  • Me!  - Sorry...
    But gravity is just a theory too...
    However, I still observe that when I drop a baby, it falls. And turns into a
    creationist.
  • dj  - Gravity
    Theory? Maybe I've been dropped on my head too many times too, but last I
    checked it was called the "Law" of gravity. Speaking of theories, I have
    a theory that you're comfortable in your sins and don't want to be confronted
    with any Laws that tell you stealing, lying and lust are wrong and you'll answer
    for them some day. Maybe that's your problem with creationists.
  • Antitheist1  - Theory...
    ...that organisms change over time is not a theory, it is an observational fact.
    The theories (yes, there are many) come into play when trying to explain the
    DETAILS of long-term evolution throught the process of natural selection.

    However, I find it worthwhile to note that AAxBB=CC is still listed as a THEORY,
    even though we have never found a right-angled triangle to dispute it's truth.
    Things that are speculative are called HYPOTHESIS. A THEORY must explain all
    available facts, be testable, be repeatable, be disprovable, and make accurate
    predictions. A single, verified failure in the evidence must negate the theory,
    and force it to be abandoned, or modified.



    Yes. Evolution by natural selection is a theory. Still waiting for one fossil
    rabbit in the precambrian to prove it wrong!
  • Antitheist1  - Correction!
    AA+BB=CC. Sorry, must have been tired! Substituted a + for an x.
  • ant
    Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact.

    Source:

    State of Oklahoma. 2003. House Bill HB1504: Schools; requiring all textbooks to
    have an evolution disclaimer; codification; effective date; emergency.
    http://www2.lsb.state.ok.us/2003-04hb/hb1504_int.r tf

    Response:

    The word theory, in the context of science, does not imply uncertainty. It means
    "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation
    for a class of phenomena" (Barnhart 1948). In the case of the theory of
    evolution, the following are some of the phenomena involved. All are facts:

    Life appeared on earth more than two billion years ago;

    Life forms have changed and diversified over life's history;

    Species are related via common descent from one or a few common ancestors;

    Natural selection is a significant factor affecting how species change.

    Many other facts are explained by the theory of evolution as well...
  • kb
    Being an athiest is a very lonely way to live. I feel sorry for them because
    they have no hope. Their souls are empty, and all they have is this life and
    after that what? Darwinism is a very empty religion. If I'm wrong about
    following Christ/God, who does it hurt? And I've been happy and comforted the
    whole time.
  • Antitheist1  - Strangely...
    ...my time involved in cult life was the most lonely and fearful of my life. I
    wasn't allowed to have friends outside the church ('cause they were going to
    hell, and they were gonna be too busy being tortured forever to talk to me in
    the afterlife) and the people inside the church were, well...cult members.

    When religion walks out of churches and begins to force it's skewed beliefs in
    to classrooms, that's when it starts to hurt. Look at Iran to see what happens
    when you let religion run wild (you may not think so, but there are many
    christians who would take over every country in the world, every bit as
    violently and repressively as the most fundamentalist of muslim).

    Religion hurts the world. It braiwashes it's members, and uses violence and
    coersion on those it deems 'heretics.'
  • Happyatheist  - Darwinism and religion
    Since I am an atheist I can probibly give some answers to what you claim in this
    post kb. I would not say that my life is lonely at all, I fill my life with
    friends and family and can generally say im happy with my life. I do not belive
    my soul is empty, Im not even sure there is a soul it might all just be the
    brain making calculations on what is the best action in certain situations and
    that decides how you act and stuff like that. And if souls exist i cant really
    see why I cant have one. What happens after my life I must say i agree, nothing
    and I say that feels fairly good. Everything must have and ending and im not
    sure if i can figure out a more evil curse then etarnal life, the first 1000
    years might be fun but after that comes eternity and eternity after that, and
    eternity after that. You say Darwinism is an empty religion and sorry if im
    sounding a bit tough on you but that is probibly the most ignorant ive ever
    he...
  • angry atheist
    Darwinism is not a religion. being an atheist, means being without religion. and
    yeah, its a lonely life with so much theist in the world
  • Antitheist1  - Sadly...
    ...I have to disagree there. I am not lonely, nor resentful of the other people
    out there who have some kind of faith. Though religion is a harmful and
    wasteful pursuit according to the best of my research, people are still people,
    and many if not most people are wonderful and only intend the best for others,
    even if thier idea of what's best does not agree with the people they intend it
    for.

    The dialogue is why I'm here. It's my hope that understanding and respect can
    be built by discussing differences, and learning how to treat the unknown.

    Atheists are little understood, and much feared. I'm sad to have to report that
    the situation is analogous to the treatment of minority populations throughout
    history. However, there IS hope! History has proven over and over again that
    understanding and communication is the key to peaceful coexistence.
  • Brian Bovee  - Anti-theist1
    The anger in your words reveals you. I have tried to have
    "conversations" with many atheists and the one common denominator is the
    anger. What that tells me is that deep down, you know the severity of what you
    are saying and the consequences of it if you are wrong. There is a truth out
    there. I will pray for you as the day the truth is revealed to you will not be
    a good day for you. Reflect on your anger. Use your "wisdom" to figure
    out why you are so bitter and it may just save your soul. God bless you.
  • Antitheist1  - Anger is not wrong!
    Angry doesn't begin to say it! However, I'm pretty sure that my anger is placed
    exactly where it should be.

    And I've had many 'conversations' with christians. The one common denominator
    is that they all 'know' that they're the ones who're going to heaven, while
    everyone else is gunna burn. So who's right? SOMEONE has to be! The
    assumption of correctness does not a right answer make.



    And tell me if that praying of yours does anything. I'm not feeling it on this
    end.
  • Antitheist1  - And one more makes...
    ...UH OH! This is the 666th post! Good thing I don't believe in unproven
    things like numerology!
  • Anonymous  - just to break the number
    just because i can!! this is 667
  • Glen  - 1theist
    It is good to see you trying to speak to anti-theist. It wont work He is so
    filled with hatered that nothing is going to break through. Read Hebrews 6:
    4-6. This is the man you are dealing with. He cannot be brought back to
    repentance. It is best to sidestep him and not alow youself to be drawn into
    his agony. He must face this for himself shaking his fist all the way. From
    what I have seen he is sealed. Since he cannot be brought back to repentance
    there is nothing-word or actions- that will bring him into belief. His
    conscience is seared. 1 Tim 4: 1-4.

    Guard yourself. Be alert.
  • Antitheist1  - Let's see...a warning for you...and you...
    Well, after a massive, expensive, and very public campaign to put atheists into
    contact with the people at this website, when you actually meet one, and find
    out that he's got a brain, you suddenly tell people to avoid him. YOU
    HYPOCRITE!

    Did you think that it would be EASY to come face-to-face with an atheist? Did
    you think you would just quote John 3:16, give a big smile, and the atheist
    would just say, "Oh! Well, in that case, I'm one of you now! Control
    me!"

    Did you truly believe that the only kind of atheist out there was one who just
    didn't know (simply not possible on this continent, with today's media)?

    I've read your posts, your literature, even your subsidiary websites. I've
    attended your meetings, even helped in your bread-lines. You've said nothing,
    the entire time. "Faith." Believe with no proof. That doesn't hold
    water for me. What else ya got?
  • Antitheist1  - Great questions there...
    But I have one; how is it that we can activate genes in chickens that appear to
    be vestigal, and they grow TEETH? What possible use could a chicken have for
    the tooth-growing gene?

    Eyes; horrible design! The wiring is IN FRONT of the photo-receptors, resulting
    in a major blind-spot, and not just off to one side! Amino-acids are an
    interesting one, as they need DNA to make, and are needed to make DNA. There's
    a hypothesis being tested now which uses RNA to fill both roles, as it can store
    information AND catalize chemistry to a certain extent, which would fit the
    definition of s self-replicating system. Drop the o2 and you have DNA (check;
    old earth chemstry).

    And I'm still trying to catch that woodpecker!
  • Glen  - Cognomen
    This word means surename or nickname.



    Andy Duchemin (Athiest central)=Andy1968=Anti-theist1=damned by glen1. These
    seem all to be the same poster to me as I run around the globe. I think Sybil
    is a better cognomen.



    Whew, been studying Primary causality. One can fill a library with that stuff.
    Tried to read Aristotle and became tired quickly. Deep, deep stuff in that
    arena. St. Thomas Aquinas apparently was a student of Aristotle. I never knew
    that.

    It taught me this athiests always fall back to arguments and there seems to be 2
    that are central; 1) there is no God-this then negates any points made by
    Primary causality-and 2) I will not have to face a penalty for my choices.

    The Athiest actually blames everyone else never himself. Look at wha Adam said
    to God when questioned by God. He blames first the woman and the God himself.
    It is the same argument.
  • Antitheist1  - Totally off!
    Um, I'm not Andy, sadly. That said, it's good to hear that you've finally hit
    the books on philosphy. I recomment the Encyclopaedia Brittanica Great Books
    set. From Homer to Freud.

    EEEEEENY-WHOooo; You haven't understood a darn thing! 1) The reason that I know
    there's no god, and especially NOT the god of the any religion, including
    christianity, is that a divine, perfect, loving, just being could NOT have
    created a pepsis-wasp. Stephen King couldn't have come up with something so
    sick.

    2)There's no god to blame. I take reponsibility for my own choices, instead of
    blaming the 'will of god' for eveything wrong with the world.

    Your analysis of 'the athiest' is just dead wrong. Back to the books! Tell me
    when you get to Plutarch!
  • Antitheist1  - Oh yeah...
    ...and adam, if he existed, wasn't an athiest. HE was allowed to have evidence.
  • Antitheist1  - oh, and, uh...
    ...I made no secret about changing my name to Damned by Glen1 after you, well,
    condemned me to eternal torture for having read the bible and not believed it.
    I guess that that really goes to show that you don't even read my responses.
    That said, I'm only those two names. I'm afraid that there is in fact more than
    one athiest out here in cyber-space.
  • andy1968  - different
    No Glen we are all different posters. See if living waters can confirm this by
    telling you we have different email addresses when we have to put the contact
    details in. I definately don't know who the other 3 are.



    Andy.
  • Glen  - poster names
    Good Andy. I was hoping you were not anti-thiest.



    Good to hear from you!



    glen
  • Antitheist1  - I GET IT NOW!!
    Now I know why I've been getting the ol' 'fire and brimstone' version of
    christianity thrown at me here (trust me, as a guy who spends much of his time
    debating religion with all sorts of people who've been trying to bring me back
    into the flock for years, harsh words only alienate athiests more...they work
    better on agnostics or people in faith crises); I just read the FAQ section
    here...HAHAHA!!! I can understand why you want it done that way,
    strategically:

    1. Harsh methods attract fewer numbers, BUT

    2. Those that it does attract tend to be easier to control and more reluctant to
    leave.

    3. Further, those it attracts become so swayed that they often bring others who
    care about them into the fold, and

    4. The don't ask questions, just repeat as told.

    Excellent work. Now, how do I bring down a brick wall?
  • Professor of History  - Antitheist 1-I get it...
    I found the best way to take down a brick wall is to take a sledge hammer to a
    lower corner just above the floor level, repeating at the far end of the wall,
    again at floor level. You then pass a length of half-inch steel cable through,
    and shackle the free ends to a 2-ton or better truck. You pull away SLOWLY
    until all the slack is taken out, then put the pedal down, allowing the cable to
    slice through and cause the wall to tumble down from the ends to the center.
    MAKE CERTAIN THE CABLE IS LONG ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE WALL AMPLE ROOM TO FALL
    WITHOUT HITTING THE TRUCK.



    What this has to do with Theology, I have no idea.
  • Glen
    No, no, no anti you gots the high karati to do that. Hiiii, yaa!
  • 1Theist  - bring you back?!?
    Dear Anti-Anything,

    The fact that you appear to think you ever actually were in the flock reveals a
    lot.



    Sorry for calling you a jerk. You probably enjoyed it without even honestly
    considering it (at this point, that's probably way over your head).



    PS- it's not too late to "man-up" and humbly admit to God what a
    selfish, lying and arrogant fool you've been, or face how truly undeserving of
    Jesus' sacrifice you are. His love & mercy are infinately bigger than your
    crimes against Him. He'd welcome your un-earned "return" to the flock as
    He did for all the rest of us. Or, you can keep your blinders on and pretend
    that Truth is a lie and see what happens.
  • Antitheist1  - Manning up!
    You're dead right. I was never a common sheeple. I've also been called a jerk
    more times than I can remember, so what makes you feel that you were special?
    The insult doesn't do it; it needs to be backed up by reason.

    So far, the above post tells me that I'm a)too stupid to realize when I've been
    insulted, b)selfish, c)lying, d)arrogant, e)a criminal, f)a fool, and g)totally
    unworthy. Wow. How is it that I ever find it within myself to resist the
    temptation to follow the philosophy that thinks so highly of me?
  • 1Theist  - been called a jerk before
    Dear AntiWhatever,

    yup.......you do enjoy being called a jerk. And your as "common" a sheep
    as they come. You're just increadibly in denial of it and screaming like a
    spoiled little child as if that would make it disappear. It won't. Neither will
    puttin on an "I'm Not A Sheep" T-shirt.

    You're right about one thing: what I see in you doesn't matter. But what God
    see's does matter. And no amount of your whiny angry kickin and screamin on this
    site will make that not matter (or not be there). I'm sorry for you if you think
    it will. Pull the covers from over your head.
  • Antitheist1  - And the insults continue...
    This time, I've been called 'as "common" a sheep as they come," in
    denial, a spoiled little child, whiny, and angry.

    Bravo!



    I'm only an atheist. Keep proving me right.
  • Renato
    You know i do apologize for all those that do give you the fire and brimstone
    treatment. See the bible says that we have to use wisdom. It is not wise to try
    and compel some one to come to Christ by telling them they are going straight to
    hell if they don't (although it is true). But we should be acting upon
    compassion and praying for you and reasoning with you through the scriptures.
    What is sad is that some many professing christian poster fail to really use the
    Word of God for there witnessing.

    The bible says in Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift
    of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." So if you are a
    sinner sin only leads to death, spiritually speaking (but can also be a natural
    death). But God's gift is eternal life. John 3:16-21 reads "For God so loved
    the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
    should not perish, but have everlasting...
  • Antitheist1  - Free will
    This is an interesting concept, because it supposes that we have a choice in our
    beliefs. The story that goes along with this concept is that making the wrong
    choice will result in the most terrible punishment imaginable. Various people
    throughout history have used this exact tactic. We call it interrogation by
    torture. Tell me what I want to hear, or things will go very bad for you.



    And in looking at how directly that relationship applies, see:Spanish
    Inquisition.
  • Antitheist1  - The whole world...
    ...does not have internet or TV there, G-man. It only seems like it because you
    are richer than almost everyone else. But hey, let them eat cake and play
    x-box!
  • Adam  - Remove the pages?
    That's just a small step down from Nazi book burning. If they're going to take
    any pages out of any book, it should be the pages in science textbooks which
    still contain lies proven wrong years ago. (i.e., embryology, horse evolution,
    vestigal organs, the whole geologic column.) They call us Christians
    brainwashers while they will only allow one side of the argument to be
    presented. Hmmm....
  • Antitheist1  - Removing pages...
    I, for one, thoroughly disagree with removing pages from any text. Or marking
    up texts. Or editing texts. Or adding one's own thoughts to texts.

    I suppose that as the idea was to put out Ray's fire and brimstone message to
    atheists, and since he was paying for it, he can write anything he wants as an
    unauthorized forward to the book he's giving away. Not only would I not stop
    him, I would carefully read the book.

    At which point, I'd ask Ray to prove his point.

    I've done all this. I've gotten no answer, aside from threats of eternal
    torture. And so, with no proof forthcoming, I file the information given in the
    introduction under, "things people can actually be duped into
    believing."
  • Jay  - Self Made God
    That's the problem with spirituality. It's creating a god for yourself. Who
    you're comfortable with. That's why our society is deteriorating. We say
    things like Pornography is ok, if it's kept from children. Drinking is ok is
    you're 21. Gambling's ok if your 18. Everything we do today is to justify
    ourselves and relieve us of our guilt. We're all sinners. Some of us realize
    it and recognize God is the reason for right and wrong. When we do wrong we
    apologize to God. It's like if you saw a friend who was about to get hit by a
    car, but you still had time to save him. Would you stand there and look? Or,
    would you scream and tell him to look out? God, THE God, the only God, is going
    to give us each what we deserve. If we acknowledge Him as God and live
    accordingly, we will go to Heaven.
  • Dave aka lambsev  - age of consent
    Civil law does tolerate much today that it did not a mere 50 years ago. But
    enforcement of law has been poor in some areas forever. Setting age limits for
    drinking and gambling do nothing more than excite interest in drinking and
    gambling in those under age. The real problem is that the doctrine of sin us
    silenced in the church in too many places. The wages of sin?>>>--> death, hell,
    second death, the lake of fire. The way to heaven? Faith, repentence , holiness
    and perfection: all by God's grace, freely given out of the storehouse of
    everlasting mercy and love. Back to the Bible folks. Learn and turn or burn.
  • A Brother  - Accusations of plagiarism
    I am a devout Christian but am pained by the accusations that Ray plagiarized
    from Stan Guffey handout. I have objectively read both Stan's handout and Ray's
    introduction. It certainly appears that portions of Stan's work was plagiarized.
    Ray needs to go on the record to defend these accusations.
  • DJ  - My answer for you Mr. Brother
    I don't think it's necessary to make a formal announcement. If Mr. Guffey wants
    an apology I'm sure he could ask for it. Mr. Comfort paraphrased and used some
    quotes (a short biographical summary of Charles Darwin, consisting of
    information that is widely known and available) relying on 'Fair Use' for
    education purposes. There were a total of over 100 attributions in the notes
    section of the Introduction and this one attribution to Mr. Guffey was missing.
    Where Mr. Guffey got his info is a mystery to me as he didn't attribute his
    source either. I guess he randomly changed enough words to not have to do so.
  • Jack Flackett
    I was on the Berkeley campus when some guy in the center of a circle of bio-chem
    grad students had the book in his hand and was waving it around and shouting as
    his face got increasingly red. Comfort? In the context of where he was he didn't
    make much sense. But that's not what I find so disturbing about all of this.

    I might be inclined to at least listen to someone with such a divergent view
    from my own, except that I find it stupid and abhorrent that these strangers
    have decided that they are sufficiently enlightened to intervene in my spiritual
    life, and assume the voice of God. Do they speak for Him? Do they have
    sufficient understanding and mercy to judge my behavior against, say, their own?
    Anyone who is so eager to spend their time on earth condemning others in the
    name of the divine needs to attend to their own humility and save their
    righteousness for later, when they're really going to need it.

    When t...
  • sublime  - Say Your Peace, Move On
    Tell the gospel the best you can and avoid all foolish discussions or arguments
    not relating to it that will actually get no where.



    The Christian faith isn't 'intellectual' it's 'experiential'. We don't know
    'about' God, we 'know' Him. An example of this would be for me to have eaten an
    apple, then I ask someone what it tasted like, bitter or sweet. Intellectually,
    someone would respond as, "I don't know because I haven't tasted your
    apple." To that I would respond, "Then you haven't tasted my Jesus
    either."



    "Taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusts in
    Him." It has been well said , "The man with an experience is not at the
    mercy of a man with an argument."



    All the arguments about creation, evolution, etc. may not convince a man of the
    truth in Christ; however, an encounter with the resurrected Savior will. He
    gives him a new hea...
  • Antitheist1  - In other words....
    ...there's no proof of god. Right?



    I'd say my piece and move on, if only christians would stop knocking on my door,
    screwing with my children's education, hoarding money while preaching about
    'giving 'till it hurts,' cluttering up my streets with gaudy xmas junk, and
    killing people who disagree with them.



    Until that happens, I can't go away. I'm too busy being chased!
  • Jason Scroger  - Clinging to their unbeleif, no matter what
    Take a History and Philosphy of Science course people, read some Karl Popper,
    Ludwig Fleck, Thomas Kuhn, Judith Hooper's Of Moths and Men, Beamtimes and
    Lifetimes by Traweak.

    Dogmatic religion, ie Evolution makes Science into a religion, they worship
    Darwin and anyone who helps them suppress the knowledge of God, the have their
    own initiations ie, getting published, getting Doctorate, They have their own
    Gods, It's just like in the Book of Daniel, when the Fake religious people
    backed out of interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream, because he would kill them,
    they know it's a farse

    It's a battle of worldviews, man's worldview is "I don't want there to be a
    God" so I interpret everything in light of that. God's worldview, The
    Bible, tells us everything pertaining to Godliness, and the History and future
    of the Human race.

    I went to University at Buffalo, I have a degree in Geology, and a Masters ...
  • Antitheist1  - Nope. Just nope.
    It would be cool if there was a god. There might be some actual miracles,
    healings, stoppages of violence, and an actual afterlife. That would be nice.

    The problem is not the worship of science, but rather the biaslessness of good
    science. I think there are a lot of people who would dearly love to speak to
    their creator, but despite every attempt (and they have been numerous and
    expensive) god just don't answer.

    So I contend that there either is no god, or that god wants us to live as if
    there was no god.
  • William  - Nothing Created Everything=Everything Was Not Crea
    I can't speak for everyone, but when someone asks "do you believe nothing
    created everyting?", I commonly equate the question with this question
    instead "Do you believe everything was not created?". I'm pretty sure
    there are alot of people that believe that instead. But I doubt there are people
    out there that believe in a literal nothingness that created everything. That,
    according to our comprehension, is seemingly nonsensical.
  • Glen  - Whew wee!
    It's like a rodeo in here! Whew wee! I damned you? PAALEEASE! Not my actions
    they are yours. There is a difference in speaking it into awareness and
    actually performing it. I spoke the word to you. It is you that has been upset
    by truth.

    Exorcism means to cut out something. I have not tried that either. It will not
    work. God has told all of us that a man of your sort is done. Trying to do
    something I know God will not do is not on my agenda. There in no atonement for
    you so casting out a demon will just leave you to be re-demonized.

    I do enjoy you chasing methough. It is a profound testimony to God having set me
    apart. I need to take that a little more seriously.
  • Damned by Glen1  - The ol' switcheroo...
    Funny how it was you saying how much fun it was to chase me a few posts back.
    And no, it's not a god thing, just an athiest seeing what it takes to back you
    into a corner...



    On that topic; The bible says god created the earth twice, mentions 15 apostles
    and claims there were only ten, and claims that the same god who drowned the
    entirety of the planet is merciful. These are obvious contradictions. How can
    you claim the bible is a perfect text?
  • Glen  - twice
    Nice try but scientific journal articles have a section called an abstract
    followed by the rest of the article. The absrtact gives a quick and fast
    overview while the rest of the peper provides the details. Two seperate
    sections one story. And you call this type of whitting into question? Please,
    anti-theist. You are quite evil. You lies compound themseves.

    Look up the definition of an apostle. It is also in the book of acts. Given
    this definition there were a great many more apostles than 15.Nice try but not
    too well informed.

    Judgement; you claim a God that eliminates the wicked generation while sveing
    the righteous to be unmerciful. Again uninformed.
  • Barley  - Glen1?
    Whoa. What corner? Would you care to supply scripture references for your
    allegations of contradictory statements? Regarding the flood, God warned Noah,
    and saved him and his family from the self destruction their manner of living
    was leading the rest of the world to. Understanding the culture, you would have
    recognized that God said He would bring the flood, idiomatically, means, HE
    allowed it to happen. Ie, God will allow you to jump off of barn and you take
    your chances on whether you live or not. The truths of the Word of God are
    simple and always accurate, however, sometimes it takes more digging than a
    cursory reading to see it.
  • Glen  - A.T.
    No threat.
  • Damned by Glen1  - There absolutely was!
    You damned me! Confined me to eternal torture and said it was justified!
    Claimed I was possessed! Even tried an e-excorcism on me (I'll have to ask Ian
    Punnet about how that's really done...)!



    I'm just an athiest!
  • Antitheist1  - Hey, let's try...
    ...the cargo cult of John Frome. He's only supposed to have been around half a
    century ago...and yet, noone can seem to figure out if he ever existed!
  • andy1968  - John Frome
    And there are people still natives waiting for his return just as Christians are
    waiting for Jesus. There may be a long wait in both instancies.



    Andy
  • Damned by Glen1  - A hypothesis...
    I'm just wondering if maybe the cargo cults don't have it right? Wouldn't it be
    a bite to all those christians out there to end up by the pearly gates and be
    told, "We're so sorry! You heard about John Frome, and rejected his
    teachings! Now not only do you have to go to hell, but your future generations
    will get no cargo!"



  • Ellen Albert
    I understand you might not agree with Darwin's evolution theory and have your
    own beliefs on the subject, but it is not appropriate to state these ideas in
    the introduction of the Origins of Species. Please continue writing your own
    books instead if you would like to spread your message.
  • John B. Williams  - Freedom
    You have an absolute right to believe anything you want to believe, and a right
    to spout whatever gibberish you wish, with the possible exception of yelling
    "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. But, you . . . are . . . insane.
  • Antitheist1  - Um...
    ...just who were you responding to there, dude?
  • daisyray  - It's still not obvious?
    Just a comment on the "book burning" comment. Really? They want to burn
    a book, but I'm sure they have nothing to say about pornography and violence.
    How about burning that. This world never seizes to amaze me with ignorance.
    Don't people know right from wrong?Don't people know what is good? If we lived
    as God asks of us, all of us, would we not all be happy? If I was selfless and
    you were selfless and he and she were selfless who would suffer? If I loved you
    and you loved me and he loved us and we loved him, who woud be unloved? Is this
    not happiness? Is this not what God tells us to do? When we do the opposite are
    there not consequences? I don't care what anyone says, when you do right, right
    is done to you. Even if you are wrong do you not feel good that you did the
    right thing, if not then maybe you are lost. Why hurt other people? why have
    anger? why lie, steal, cheat? does this feel good? NO! Unless you are possess...
  • andy1968  - daisyray
    Agreed daisyray but is this how the world really works? There will always be
    that guy who wants to make a quick buck. This is what keeps us on our toes, if
    we all thought the same we would be in troule. People have different opinions
    and we have to live with those opinions. We all don't believe in a god.



    Andy.
  • Anonymous
    There will always be that guy that wants to do evil to me so I gotta do it to
    him first. Andy your statement is not close to what daisyray is saying. people
    will has differing opinions after satan has been removed; sin with him. The
    difference is that men will no loger sin as a result. The world operates as t
    you pinted out becasue men love sin over God. This is the reason. You will
    never see that.
  • Damned by Glen1  - A-
    There's no god or satan. They don't exist. They're stories! People act as
    they do because natural selection favours the competitive. Any animal will
    cease any opportunity to survive longer and procreate more, often by any means.
    We humans seem to have gotten just smart enough to realize that we can survive
    and procreate more and longer if we make and follow rules that are good for
    everyone. What you call sin, I call breaking the rules. It's how one gains any
    kind of unfair advantage. But that's just one of the rules; life ain't fair.
  • NG  - English Police
    Sheesh!! Grammar anybody?? Joust because yore spiel chequer do not kitsch a ward
    dues not mien yow used the write one.
  • Andre  - A Reformed Atheist
    I can relate to all the atheists here because I was one for many years, but the
    reality of the matter is, and this goes for some Christians as well - you're
    trying to prove the existence or nonexistence of God through intellectual means,
    which is a severe limitation at best.

    There is no thought or concept that can impact a nonbeliever, much the same as
    no nonbeliever can impact a true believer into doubting the existence of the One
    True Almighty Creator.

    In the same fashion, no thought or concept can do justice to the Greatness of
    our Holy God. To believe you have a perfect understanding of God, is to have Him
    in a box - an impossible feat.

    As they say, the proof is in the pudding. Fortunate for nonbelievers there is a
    method by which God can be known, but ask yourself: If you could know God and
    who he is, and what his plan is for mankind, would you really want to know? Or
    would you rather stay ignora...
  • Antitheist1  - All that shows...
    ...is that there is no need for religion. As you say, none of the people in
    those religions understand it, and if they do, there's no way to explain it. So
    sell the property of those religions and start using the billions of Euros to
    actually help some people.
  • Glen  - Oh I just could not resist!
    Pedant-ic: Mired in minutia. That's the way I say it.

    dictionary says: 1)ostentatious in one's learning. 2) Overly concerned with
    minute details or formalisms esp. in teaching.

    My favorite: Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book
    learning and formal rules.

    Ostentatious=grandiose. To atract attention by trying to impress others.

    Since I have been called this thing multiple times I thought it important to
    make known what is trying to be hidden. Decide for yourself.
  • Skitz O'Fuel
    Fire breathing dragons have been used in art and literature for thousands of
    years. Many "modern" stories, films, and artworks contain fire breathing
    dragons. Does this prove "historically" that fire breathing dragons
    exist?

    Doesn't the fact that we all have similar equipment point directly to the fact
    that ALL living things have evolved from common ancestors?

    The removal of intelligence doesn't get sticky at all. Take the experiments done
    on black bottle flies. These flies move along the water with the use of their
    wings. When you cut the wings in half, the fly can still move across the water
    but slower. When you cut the wings again, to a mere nub, barely a flap, the fly
    can still move across the watter BUT slower. This reverse look at evolutionary
    process shows what the use of a full wing, half a wing, AND a thing that cannot
    be called a wing.

    Use yer brain.
  • Glen  - Nope
    It is not surprising that all life on planet Earth share all things in common.
    It would be quite different if they did not. For example, critters using copper
    in place of iron in hemoglobin or use of slicone rather than carbon. But they
    don't. Water is a very interesting molecule; it doesn't obey the rules. Rogue,
    kinda like me. Water is most dense while it is still a liquid.
    Counterintuative don't you agree? Now I don't have wings, did not develope them
    during fetal development and I did not need to use a pair of evolutionary
    scissor to cut them off. The scissors trick is not a revese look at evolution.
    Chickens and turkeys have full foliage and still cannot fly.I would urge you to
    use your brain.
  • brad  - get your facts straight
    Glen- Get your facts straight. Not all life shares all things in common. Not
    even close. Many non-chordate animal species do not have hemoglobin, but
    instead a copper-containing protein called hemocyanin which carries oxygen in
    their "blood." Silicone (not slicone) is a rubbery synthetic substance
    used in breast implants. Silicon, the element, is used by dinoflagellates in
    making their shell. Water obeys all the rules except the one you mentioned.
    Plants, fungi, and most microorganisms have some sort of cell wall; animals do
    not. All eukaryotic organisms have intracellular organelles; prokaryotic
    organisms have none. So no, I don't find your arguments counterintuitive. I
    find them ignorant. Now, admittedly this black bottle fly experiment is the
    lamest of scientific arguments in favor of evolution. However, genetic
    evolution happens all around us every single day. That's how we still have
    influenza epid...
  • Glen  - Finally
    Hey Brad finally someone that is smart talks. Not ignorant pal just setting up
    conversation. No I am fully aware of haemocyanin. Just testing the waters
    here. I use silicon all the time (diatoms). Just again testng the waters here.
    Water, is the most awesome mollecule created! It is really neet! It responds to
    microwaves. Nuttin' else does. That's how he heat our lunches these daze.
    Counterintuative in regards to water alone, sorry. H2S does none of these
    things, just stinks. No to the influenza thing. Do you no how this virus
    actually crosses the species barrier? Are you aware that it has 7(?) seperate
    pieces of DNA that must assemble together to create a viable virus particle?
    All that has to happen is two vuruses getting into the same host to shuffle the
    deck and make a viral strain to infect another species. This is not a mutation.
    And I am not really arguing here nor Am I really trying to convince the
    unco...
  • Antitheist1  - Oooooh!
    So Glen here's a biologist who actually believes in Creation? How can you
    possibly reconcile the two? Genuinely curious here...
  • Glen  - OOOOOOOH!
    How could you not? THe evidence is overwhelming!
  • Damned by Glen1  - The evidence consists of...
    ...a storybook. If that qualifys as overwhelming evidence, then there must be
    gingerbread houses where witches fatten up abandoned children for food...
  • Antitheist1  - Microwaves...
    I rather doubt that you'll be reading this far down, but it seems to be worth
    noting that water responds to a narrow band of microwaves, and that EVERYTHING
    responds to different frequencies of energy waves, in a principle called
    'harmonics,' (I'm a musician as well, remember? I utilize harmonics all the
    time!). There's a quantum theory out there that postulates the idea that the
    'base' particle is actually nothing more than a wave, which could be defined as
    a note. There are seven 'notes' which would coincide with the musical octave.
    Quantum theory just might be explained with a guitar (Meatloaf would LOVE that
    one!).
  • Zeromus  - duh ok boss.
    maybe you didn't develop wings in fetal development, but you did have a tail.
    Just like all us humans that evolved.
  • Antitheist1  - Hey, another smart un!
    Zeromus- we also had gills during embyonic development. For all intents and
    purposes, pretty much every animal starts out looking like nothing more than a
    minnow or tadpole. We also start out with flippers. The process that cuts out
    the webbing between our fingers and toes is called "apoptosis" or
    programmed cell death. This is when the lysosomes (convenient sac of poison
    located in every cell for the purpose of suicide) burst. Interestingly, a
    friend of mine is investigating the plausibility of causing apoptosis in cancer
    cells, with some pretty promising results.
  • it needs to be said  - Please Try and learn
    im a university student in australia and i believe that comforts alteration is a
    perversion of a solid and generally accepted scientific theory. but i do not
    blame him because from what i can see the majority of anti-evolutionary thinker,
    do not have a firm grasp on how evolution ocures. firstly the statment made that
    it is a random event, i find very amusing because and chemist religious or not
    could tell you elements strive to become as stable and ordered as possible often
    forming compounds. some of the most stable of these although comlex are RNA and
    protines. these compounds are very similar to modern lifes DNA.
    but don't misunderstand although i don't believe in god i have read the bible
    cover to cover as well as many other religious texts. (i attened a chistian
    school).
    but on to more in portant things this kind of perversion would never stand in
    australia, you americans pride yourselves on free speach, but none of ...
  • Glen  - really?
    Isn't all of this stuff temperature and pressure dependent? At the temps found
    on the sun do Complex Compounds exist? What about the vacuum of space? Any
    complex DNA's there? Stability is relative.
  • vanessa  - b/s
    ATTN: Ray Comfort: It's not your "idiotic claims" as you've called it
    yourself that people are upset about, it's the fact that you totally basterdized
    the work of a great mind for a cheap publicity stunt. Why couldn't you just
    write your own book? Why rape Darwin's book? You're completely dirty for what
    you did.
  • J  - "God" is "great"?
    I love how so many current theists like to attribute Hitler's actions to some
    imaginary link to Darwin. I find it quite amusing that these theists have (for
    the most part) never even read Hitler's own words in Main Kampf where he stated
    that the intention for "cleansing" Germany of the Jewish population was
    due to them "killing our savior" (Jesus Christ) and that he even had the
    full support of the Vatican for many years up until the allied forces fully
    formed (with America joining in) to oppose him.

    So, the Catholic Church supported the genocide of an opposing faith's people yet
    somehow Charles Darwin is who you lob stones at? Please... You lot are ignorant,
    uneducated and unaware of the world around you. The simple fact that you are
    fighting to try and spread your word alone is evidence of this. Notice how
    atheists and agnostics don't come calling on you forcing their non0belief upon
    you? It's all o...
  • Professor of History  - J-"God" is...
    You understand what the word "propaganda" is. The Nazis invented it,
    made it a government Ministry. Hitler understood the concept of scapegoating,
    and how people tend to look to others for blame, so they can focus their angers
    and frustrations away from themselves, avoiding blame. He also said often enough
    when firmly holding power that he did not believe in God as some sort of dead
    Jew. He was a politician--say what folks want to hear to get the power you want
    to have.
  • Antitheist1  - Sadly, Prof...I must correct you here...
    If you look into well-preserved Roman cities/villages (Pompeii is especially
    good, but there are others around Vesuvius) you would know that propaganda has
    been going for thousands of years (I especially like how the "thieve's
    guild" promotes political candidates...man, the USA apparently learned from
    the best!) in pretty much any place that we have writings from. Egypt, Sumeria,
    Greece, etc. From what I've seen of history, the first thing people do when
    they learn to write is make a calendar, then write "Ptolemy sucks,"
    underneath it.
  • Ryan  - A disappointment.
    I received a copy of this book in hope of seeing a sound argument against
    evolution. Sadly, I read it and realized that Ray Comfort is grossly uninformed
    in the theory of evolution. He talks about things that are false, but evolution
    doesn't claim. Like everything came about by chance. He also quote mines, ending
    a quote half way to make his point, but the end of the quote disproves what he
    is trying to say. I gladly handed out material provided by the National Center
    for Science Education, which provided information that easily debunked a good
    bit of Comfort's idea of an argument. Please take a look at:
    http://www.dontdissdarwin.com/resources/comfort_fl yer_final.pdf
  • Anonymous Rex  - Why you actually stopped commenting.
    The reason you actually stopped commenting on your opening statement is the same
    reason why Michael Behe and all the other proponents of Intelligent Design stop
    getting into arguments with actual scientists (not all of whom are atheists by
    the way, I happen to be agnostic.)

    Because you lose the arguments, and are made to look foolish, and are forced to
    concede how completely silly you sound, much as Clarence Darrow was completely
    trounced by William Jennings Bryan during the Scopes trial.

    Your arguments fall apart under scrutiny. They do not stand up to logic.
    And the very idea of "Intelligent Design" must mean that god is a very
    very stupid creator, if you know anything about biological systems (and I am
    certain you do not), like placing ATP pumps between membranes of cells, which
    can easily be explained through evolution.
  • Glen  - Stand up to logic
    Ha, Ha A.R. A for a stupid creator and biological systems..Hmmm I would think
    that you would be better informed. Biological systems are so complex. So
    overly complex a non-thinking system such as evolution could not design, invent,
    come up with, support, (insert your word here ____)such incredible complexity.
    The very fact that you claim to be intelligent and have knowledge of biological
    systems is an indicator that something smarter than you had to design it. As it
    is, not even you know all about ATP pumps in the membranes. I imagine cessation
    of comments is due to the wall syndrome. One can talk to a wall all day and
    nothing will happen.
  • Eupraxsophy  - Stand up to who's logic? Yours?
    Science may not exactly be able to explain the complexity of life or even the
    universe, but at least they are objective as opposed to being doubtful. Unlike
    creationism or it's dressed up name Intelligent Design, evolution has been able
    to explain with logic many of life's questions about it's origins. Just 2 years
    after Darwin published his book On the Origins of Species in 1859, the
    Archaeopteryx was found.

    This substantiated piece of evidence well supports evolution and contradicts any
    belief in creationism. And 150 years later evolution has gain ground on other
    pieces of evidence and

    other sciences to support it, like biology,

    geology, paleontology, genealogy, as well as

    other transitional fossils such as the Anchiornis-huxley recently found in China
    and

    let's not forget about chimpanzees sharing

    99.4% the same chromosomes as humans.



    So now let's look at the logic of creationism

  • andy1968  - wall syndrome
    I agree with your wall syndrome Glen. It is like talking to a wall on both sides
    of the argument. However, biological systems were created by something smarter
    than people - evolution by natural selection. Natural occurances are smarter
    that us humans and god dare I say - this is where evolution is misunderstood.



    Many thanks Andy.
  • Glen  - LOL
    Natural occurences are smarter than humans? Andy you'd better watch out for
    lightening!



    Wew! Man I'm funny!
  • Antitheist1  - AAAAAAAaand..
    G-man goes back...Waaaaaaay back...and he's...yes!...he's pulling out...ANOTHER
    THREAT!!! AND THE ANGELIC HOSTS GO WILD!!!!
  • Glen  - Wrong again!
    Anti, no pal this is what is known as a joke. Althought totally lost on you. I
    am sure Andy go it. He has a very good sense of humor. Although i have hope for
    Andy because he has not reject the Holy Spirit. He claims athiesm to be his
    belif patter but as far as his posts have stated he has not yet tasted the
    goodness of the Lord. So there is still hope for him. And the Angelic hosts
    will go wilde for him should he choose God's way; ie. Jesus.
  • Jaeh
    I just really don't understand what's with them these days. I mean, if they
    don't think we're telling lies and are not for real and are not a threat to
    anything, they should just let it be and let us show our alleged stupidity.
    (thank God we don't get atheists like these in the Philippines - makes
    witnessing a wee bit easier, lol). I mean, just... I guess if we're working to
    share God, others are just working to go against Him, too.

    Keep up the Good and great work, people! Be the light ^^
  • Jim Jones  - Regarding Hitler
    * Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
    the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
    work of the Lord.."
    *
  • Damned by Glen1  - Nuff said there...
    ...Well quoted!
  • Fmcdowell
    Glen God bless you
  • Believer  - Reasoning
    I am a believer in God as well as evolution. Why not think of evolution as a
    means of creationist process designed by God? Besides, lets dissociate Darwin
    from Evolution. Darwin does not own "evolutionary concept". He was the
    first to propose it and later many other scientist have worked on it for 150
    years. So Darwin's beliefs, personal views have nothing to do with the theory of
    evolution. If Hitler had believed in Christ does that make Christianity evil?
  • Anonymous
    "Intellectually bankrupt people are

    spouting off just like you all the time"



    Hehe - you are digging big holes here and calling someone intellectually
    bankrupt is pathetic.



    Why is it then do you think that only 7% of scientists have a faith-based
    belief...?



    Do you consider almost the entire scientific community to be "intellectually
    bankrupt"...?



    Your egotism is laughable.



  • Glen  - Pathetic
    THanx man. I love not fittin' inn with your type. And I am not pathetic. 7% of
    scientists are unblinded by the works of thier own hands. That is about right!
    Jesus tells us that the road to destruction is wide and that MANY will go that
    way. I rejoice for the 7% that are able to see that this place cannot come
    about by unthinking mechanisms and theories. I consider the vast majority to be
    intellectually blinded and that is what makes them bankrupt. In the end they
    have nothing. I would be cautios about spouting egotism if I were you!
  • Antitheist1  - Whoa!
    And G-man pulls out yet ANOTHER THREAT! Sure God's proud!
  • Donny  - Hey
    Hopefully I can read this book one day! I'm in Australia. Praise the Lord for
    His greatness. And may many be saved.
  • dave aka lambsev  - wise move
    A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on,
    and are punished.Proverbs 22:3
  • Gary Murray  - ...read it...originally breathed...
    I'm curious as to whether Ray or anyone in his outfit has ever read THE ORIGIN
    OF SPECIES. I'm even more curious as to what you feel about Christians that
    fully accept the fact of evolution. Yes, they exist. From common blue collar
    believers to the Pope. Evolution is a fact. It does not try to explain where
    everything came from. It merely explains how life has changed and arrived at ths
    point. The "beginning of everthing" question is one for cosmologists to
    theorize and eventually answer. If you want to argue, argue with them. But I
    must focus in on the point of how disgusted I am that you manipulated Darwin's
    book for you own gain, and moreover, your cowardly attempt to try to convert to
    your particular way of thinking. Yes Darwin was an atheist. He never denied that
    in his later life, but when ORIGIN was written, he still believed, or tried to
    believe and even included his Deistic views in the closing paragraph. Perhap...
  • Paul Cooley  - Answers
    1. Of course we can not prove that Jesus existed, just as we can not prove any
    historical fact other than the records of eyewitnesses. This is exactly what the
    bible claims to be, along with multiple other non biblical references to Jesus
    or Christians. So we actually have more 'proof' of Jesus' existence than say
    Julius Ceaser, given the amount of manuscript evidence in existence.
    2. Simple, common designer equals common traits. You mistakenly believe that the
    evolutionary explanation can be the only one. God bless.
  • Drea  - A Bible Lesson Incognito
    I was on my university campus waiting for a cup of coffee when I saw someone
    handing out free books. Interesting, I thought, but not really interested. Then
    I saw Darwin's unmistakable beard and thought, No way! I ran to the distributor
    of the books and got excited as I saw the title, "Origin of the Species
    (with a special intro)." Ok, we'll see what this intro is about. Maybe it's
    discussing Darwin's research in-depth!

    After a few pages however, I realized that I had been duped into reading what
    was basically a Bible lesson (and rant) in disguise. I was upset to read that
    the author of the introduction was bashing Darwin's character while Darwin's
    real work was just a few pages away.

    I'm also angry that Ray Comfort has deceived people by giving free books under a
    guise of scientific inquiry by pushing his religion in unsuspecting people's
    faces. Who is he to say whose religion is better and why? I sugg...
  • Doug  - Where were you?
    I live by one of the Universities where these books were going to be
    distributed, but I never saw anyone handing them out! Now how do I get a copy?
  • Rev. Marvin Davidson
    Did not god give us the greatest gift of all; The gift of a reasoning,
    inquisitive mind?

    Did he mean us not to use it?

    I think not.

    Given that, it seems rational to me that science has always been about
    discovering the nature of things hitherto unknown.

    That the nature of the universe is included in science should come as no
    surprise, considering god gave us the capacity to explore it.

    Science is not the enemy of religion, it is the opposite.

    Today's religious viewpoints are radically different than those of the past,
    proof that even religion evolves.

    The very existence of Christianity and Islam is proof, since they both evolved
    from Judaism.

    If we except the fact that religion evolves, we must except the fact that we as
    humans don't know everything.

    We likely never will know everything, but we are constantly learning more every
    day. It is this incre...
  • CD  - Simply a point in History
    I think students should be exposed to both the story of Creation and the science
    of Evolution. Intelligent minds can deciper the fact from the fiction.

    Kirk, it's neither an accident nor a tragedy that so many Professors in our
    Universities claim to be athiests. Before you write any more intro's on the
    subject, perhaps you should broaden your own thinking by reading a few more
    books.

    I'm a well educated, highly spirtual man who believes in an all loving God.
    Those that fear God and His "wrath" are part of a shrinking segment of
    our culture's spritual development. The not to distance future will look back
    on these beliefs as a point in our history.

    This is not a bad thing. It's simply an "is" thing.

    CD
  • andy1968  - CD
    Interesting comments CD; would it be possible for you to explain why you
    yourself have not become an atheist? Why is it that your increased knowledge
    base has not led you to see that there is no God? I am intrigued about why you
    remain spiritual about a diety and wonder if this is not an awe about science
    that gives you this spirituality?



    Many thanks Andy.
  • glen  - Fallacy
    CD, you are absolutely right! Those that will be saved are a shrinking
    population. CD, you cannot say you believe in GOD and not also belive in His
    wrath. If you do as you have said you are a liar. God is not in you and you
    are not saved from the coming judgement. Andy1968 is also a liar. That is why
    he likes what you say. You both speak the same language.

    rethink your situation before you perish in the lake of fire. You claim
    intelligence but cannot decifer fact from fiction.

    Hello Andy I am still here buddy and you are still lost.
  • davee  - Is turn about fair play?
    I wonder what would happen if someone distributed bibles with a fifty page anti
    biblical rant at the beginning. hmmmmmmmmmm
  • andy1968  - davee
    An anti-biblical rant would probably take 500 pages davee.



    Andy.
  • Glen  - try again
    Andy, it would take more than 500 pages to fill several thousand years worth of
    ranting. Up you anty buddy!

  • Antitheist1  - I thought I was!
    All the rant needed is, "Religion kills people, and must be abolished for
    the good of all."
  • Glen  - Ranting
    Hey feller, I have yer answer. The very same thing that has been happening
    since God created this place. Bla, Bla, Bla.
  • Joe Shmoe  - yeah...
    I think this is the worst idea ever. It's obviously another scam for money by
    this whorehound preacher. Christianity fails again.
  • Tom  - My message to Ray Comfort, to which he did not res
    Here is my message to Ray Comfort, to which I received a reply that I should
    post it on this blog, as Ray moderates it himself. So here you go, Ray;

    To Ray Comfort;

    Greetings,

    In your statement on your website concerning the distribution of your 54-page
    "Special Introduction" to Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species (sic.),
    with Darwin's full text appended, you quote Darwin as follows; "Darwin
    himself said, 'A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing
    the facts and arguments on both sides of each question.' -- Charles Darwin,
    Introduction to On the Origins of Species (1859). Ray Comfort"

    After a recent encounter with one of your followers, I am compelled to respond
    directly to you, particularly, and ironically, in light of the above Darwin
    quote...

    Ironic that you chose this quote, which refers to the importance of "fully
    stating" the fa...
  • Skitz O'Fuel  - the Comedy of Christ
    I will believe in your god when you can prove with undeniable historical facts
    that Jesus actually existed.

    I will deny the theory of evolution when you can explain to me why there are
    obvious, physical attributes that many living creatures share such as eyes,
    lungs, blood, brains ect. in the context that your god created man in his own
    image.
  • Paul  - Jesus did exist!
    You ask for undeniable evidence that Jesus existed. How about the largest
    religion in the world? Show me ONE other religion who's founder never existed.
    It's silly to believe that Christianity exists upon a fictitious Leader. That's
    no logical.

    Common design is proof of a Creator, not a random, thoughtless process called
    evolution. It's logical to ask the evolutionist that if nothing had ever SEEN
    before, why did evolution "create" eyes. How did it KNOW there was such
    a need? You see how sticky it gets when you try to remove intelligence? It's
    the height of absurdity to claim that the human eye could come about by chance.
    But the hero "Mr. Time" makes all things possible (even the obviously
    impossible).
  • Different Paul
    Just because Christianity is the largest religion in the world does not mean
    that god actually exists. But, that all depends on one's definition of
    existence. Physically, in my opinion, God does not exist. However, God CAN
    exist if you truly believe that he does. Fully convincing yourself that there
    is a god makes you believe that it is true despite the absence of evidence.
  • andy1968  - Paul
    Concerning eyes Paul you said how did evolution know there was a need for eyes.
    But that's the whole point of evolution - it didn't know. But species that
    evolved a primative eye gained an advantage and that's why they survived and
    passed on their genes to make eyes - there is no purpose. It's extreamly simple.
    It's not by chance it's by natural selection, you're completely looking at it
    from the wrong angle. If you want to see how a primative eye can evolve google
    'the blind watchmaker' by richard dawkins on horizon. But then again I'm sure
    you won't because you only want to believe in God.



    Andy.
  • Glen  - Closer and closer
    Andy you are getting closer and closer. You are most correct when you say
    "it didn't know". A theory cannot know. And description of an
    imaginary process cannot know. God on the other hand does know and He created.
    Closer to crossing my friend keep walking I'll get you there yet! You
    continually evave chance by saying it came to pass by natural selection..of
    what? The first chance occurence. But that is not true either! God created.
    You also say there is no purpose. That too is untrue. All things have a
    purpose. Every last one of them. Except you of course. You have no purpose
    whatsoever.
  • andy1968  - No purpose
    Absolutely right Glen I have no purpose whatsoever and I am still lost. I'm
    gonna see how my golden calf is getting on.



    Andy
  • Glen  - Not true
    Andy, not true my freind. According to evolution your purpose is to pass on
    your genes. By inference, you are placed here by nothing to have all the sex
    you can get to do one thing, make as many mini andy's as you can. Your purpose
    is the same as all the animals of the Earth. Here I thought you knew what
    evolution was about.
  • Antitheist1  - Slight alteration there...
    The drive is to successfully pass on one's genetics. Note the 'successful'
    part. We humans aren't all that good at mass-production of offspring like, say,
    plankton, who make so much that they can afford to just jettison huge quantities
    of gametes and leave it to fate to see which'll live.

    Which means that humans have to take on the strategy of producing QUALITY
    offspring, and taking care of them (science word of the day; NEOTANY!) to ensure
    that they reach an age where they can produce offspring of thier own. Having
    too many little Andys would result in an Andy too tired to raise any of them to
    maturity, thus negating the effort. And I thought you had some edjyumakashun
    too, G-man!
  • Damned by Glen1  - Andy...
    You available for bowling nights on Tuesdays?



    You rock! Keep it up!
  • Glen  - Skits O'Fool
    I will believe in you ROME when you can prove with undeniable historical facts
    the Rome actually existed. I simply replaced Rome for God and Jesus to show you
    how silly your statement is. The very same factoids will be used for both.
    Sorry Skitz you ain't got it.



    bye-bye.
  • john  - belief in evolution
    I will believe in evolution when some supposed scientists can actually prove.
    (and not by circular reasoning) that 1) Nothing created something and 2) Show me
    the cross evolution from chimp, ape, or rat or sea squirt fossil to man. Until
    then evolution is nothing more than the ranting of idiots that learned from
    other idiots.
  • unwaivering in the faith  - if you should read this Mr. Comfort....
    Despite the things that others may say I have an unwaivering faith in the work
    that you and Mr. Cameron do to further the Kingdom of God. If we ask our Lord
    boldly, and do not doubt He promises that He will do all this and more. I pray
    for you both now. Knowing that our God moved mountians and parted waters, we do
    not doubt that He is exceedingly able to change hearts and minds with your
    books. Be strong and courageous in the Lord dear brothers. You have the prayers
    of the family of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit behind you always.



    a daughter of The Most High God,

    Kerri
  • Dan Marvin  - Fresno State
    Well I went to Fresno State yesterday with my 40 books and they went in a couple
    of minutes.

    I stood in front of the library and handed them out with my daughter and found
    out later that night many students had a "Fresno State 'study' in library
    protest"

    The headlines said that "About 60 Fresno State students stayed in the Henry
    Madden Library as long as they could Friday in protest of the library's reduced
    hours due to recent budget cuts."

    It would of been nice to be handing the books out when all the news was there
    but I went earlier then the closing. They were on the news and hopefully they
    had their "Origin" books in hand to have some good reading that night.
    Thanks Ray for the good times, we had a blast and wish we had more books to hand
    out.

    I think we will order more, if possible, and do this weekly. We can always go
    and hand out tracts there. It is such a ho...
  • Rich Ramirez  - Please assist
    Hello,



    My 18 year old believes more on the side of evolution. I do not. Please send me
    a copy of your Origin of the Species so I can pass it on to him. Thank you and
    God bless.



    Rich Ramirez

    35 Palm Rd

    Ocala, FL 34472
  • E Hicks  - Your introduction idea is great. More please!
    I'm hopeful that your ministry will be consistent in its approach. There are a
    lot of dangerous scientific ideas out there which we need people to be
    misinformed about. Evolution isn't the only one!

    I'm assuming that Living Waters has plans to create its own anniversary
    additions to books that have been influential in helping understand how the
    world works.

    Let's see:

    I think in 2015 you should plan to take on the origins of plate tectonics by
    writing a series of falsehoods to introduce Alfred Wegener's "On the Origins
    of Continents and Oceans".

    You have almost three decades to prepare a special introduction to Newton's
    "Principia". The 350th Anniversary of the nasty spread of Gravitational
    Theory can be your target for 2037.

    You might as well get started on the introduction for your 2039 attack on Linus
    Pauling's "The Nature of the Chemical Bond".

  • Darryl  - Deceiving
    One of the hypocrisies that I see far too often in the Christian community is
    the "it's not a lie" excuse when attempting to deceive others. This
    book is an attempt to deceive, and that I resent. I believe this is what
    atheists are most enraged about, and Christians should be enraged as well.

    The whole reason a lie is wrong is because it's deceit. Making the book appear
    as though it's the original is deceitful.

    I'm sure the author will deny that there was an attempt to deceive, but it's
    quite obvious and undeniable, which makes any attempt a further deception.

    Ray Comfort is clearly a fast talking marketeer, not the type of Christian the
    community should support.

  • Big John  - Ray: Please fix the link to the pdf file to the in
    Ray:

    The link to the introduction (.pdf file) is no longer active. It was working
    fine yesterday!

    The introduction is the only part of the book worth reading and that's the part
    that needs to be shared with the world.

    Can you please send me a copy or reactivate the link? Again, it was working fine
    yesterday!

    Thank you.

    Big John
    Student
    Indiana University South Bend
  • Joseph Gordon  - Also
    A side point:

    If your brother . . . entices you secretly, saying,
  • Joseph Gordon  - Question
    Can someone please explain to me why Atheism is evil yet the people who are
    Atheists can be saved? I have read over a half dozen posts in which something
    is called evil. Why does it have to be evil? Why is it that in the face of
    whether or not god exists, by not knowing if he does automatically means that
    you are an evil person? Even more so, why must everyone be Brainwashed, is it
    not enough for them to just be wrong that you have to call them brainwashed?
    For all of the good EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO DO FOR ONE ANOTHER, WHETHER IT BE
    TRYING TO SHOW PEOPLE TO THE PATH TO HEAVEN OR SHOW SOMEONE THAT WHAT THEY
    BELIEVE MIGHT NOT BE ENTIRELY TRUE, ((If you didn't get it, I am referring to
    BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT)) The level of name calling, finger pointing and
    general lack of respect for ideas on the parts of some people is something I
    find very disappointing and ironic.
  • Glen  - Evil--short version
    My first question is, "Why did Jesus come to live among us?". Do you
    know the answer to this question? Jesus came to save humans by breaking the
    power of darkness. Darkness is another way of saying evil. Evil is another way
    of saying satan. Satan decieved humans away from God by rebellion, which is sin.
    The penalty imposed by the One that has a right to impose (God) is death.
    Athiests are no different than anybody else. All have sinned and fallen short
    of the glory of God; by sinning this way we are enemies of God (evil). By
    accepting Jesus' work on the cross AND in His bodily resurrection He breaths a
    new Spirit of life into us (born again). Even the athiest has access to this
    life if they just believe.
  • Antitheist1  - Oh...but...
    ...apparently not me. Glen says I'm irrevocably damned. Guess I'll just haunt
    his posts then! m(^o^y-~
  • Glen
    If you accept the gift of salvation from rebellion and then rebell again you
    have no justification. You have only judgemnet. You have stated that you came
    from messianic jews and was once a believer. Your statement not mine. You now
    state that you don't even regocnize God exists. This is rebellion after you
    have tasted God's salation. And yes. not for you by His justice and your
    rebellion. I have nothing to with it. I only point it out.
  • Damned by Glen1  - Another weird fact here...
    ...I notice that one of the laws of cults is to keep members in by punishing
    people who leave in horrible ways. Like Scientologists who cut people off from
    friends and family, and sue if they reveal the Dark Lord Xenu. Or Muslims who
    hold apostates in worse regard than infidels. Or credit card companies that
    screw your credit score if another credit card company checks you out.



    christianity meets every definition of the word 'cult.' It's just an old one.
  • Joseph Gordon
    The modern world does not do that, but it has done it in the past. It was
    called the Crusades. People do things in the name of God all the time, and in
    the name of Christ as well. Since no one knows 100% of everything in existence,
    can you truthfully tell me that in the past 20 years there has not been a single
    crime committed that wasn't in the name of Christ?
  • Anonymous  - Next book title: Nothing Upstairs
    That's a fitting title in more than one way. Come on guys, leave master Darwin's
    work alone. Give me a break from this hogwash introduction.
  • Brad P.  - Jay & DJ
    DJ: Jay never said that Radical Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity were
    "the same" as you replied. He commented that he saw "common
    traits" which is vastly different. However, like most Fundamentalists: you
    just spouted off without even fully reading what he said. Typical.

    Jay: Well said.
  • Hannah  - On campuss reaction :)
    Hey I'm a student at Emory University, in Atlanta GA, and I was so excited to
    see that Ray made the front page of the school newspaper. I think it is so
    interesting they are warning students not to read it...can't they trust their
    "free thinkers" to read it and discern the truth, without being dictated
    what they are supposed to think. I wish I would have been able to get a copy...I
    was on another side of capus though..and missed it :(
  • Joel  - Books at UCLA
    The book giveaway has become a joke at UCLA. Most of us students just rip out
    the 50 pages of nonsense written by Ray "banana" Comfort, and then give
    the book away to younger kids.

  • mike  - Ignorance, hate, and despicable tactics
    Was given this book today. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be Christian today.
    Using Hitler to scare me from learning science? What kind of evil strategy is
    this? I have a co-worker who forbids his children from reading any science books
    or attending any science classes... Has Christianity gone insane?

    Are we so insecure and faithless that we are unwilling to accept science and
    absolute proven facts in fear that it will uncover some terrible truth or
    disprove our beliefs?

    Both Testaments are sacred to me. But I'm not so immature as to think that those
    who wrote them thousands of years ago weren't infallible or that they didn't
    struggle to comprehend what God was telling them or showing them or how to
    interpret the events and history that they witnessed.

    Big Bang Theory and God are not incompatible. Evolution and God are not
    incompatible. There is far more beyond what we know and understand in science,
  • Paul  - Evolutionists are not realists
    It's understandable why evolutionists hate the link to Hitler, but that link is
    a historical fact. Ken Ham has also co-authored a book on Darwin's link to
    racism called "Darwin's Plantation: Evolution's Racist Roots."

    Now, will they read the claims and evidence? Not at all! Because they simply
    can't believe that such a thing could be true. That's not honest scientific
    investigation. It's putting one's head in the sand, while attempting to sing
    louder than the facts that never seem to go away. Then they poke their heads
    out from the hole from time-to-time to mock those who live on the upside of
    reality. A very bizarre worldview, to be sure!
  • Eric  - Evolutionist upset since childhood
    Hello Mr & Mrs. Evolutionist. I know its painful and the truth can be. I know, I
    know. I was upset as a 6 year old child too because I really believed with all
    my heart Santa was coming to my house on Christmas eve. In fact I was angry to
    find out I was flat out lied too! The same scenario with the tooth fairy too! Oh
    and the Easter bunny. I knew something was wrong about the whole Easter bunny
    thing because the egg/bunny combination did'nt seem logical. I am now 36 years
    old and I would LOOK and be foolish to believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the
    egg laying rabbit. I know its painful, but please quit looking foolish by
    believing such a lie as evolution. I know this next statement might be puzzling
    but I'm going to say it. It does not really matter what you believe, it ONLY
    MATTERS WHAT IS TRUE and that YOU CONFORM YOUR LIFE TO THAT TRUTH. One day you
    will know truth. Either in this life or the next.
  • Jeff  - Good Point, Eric, except ...
    You made the wrong analogy. It's not Evolution that's analogous to these
    fictional characters. Evolution is TRUE, proven by concordance among Sciences
    such as Biology, Biochemistry, Geology, Archaeology, Astronomy, Cosmology,
    Genetics, etc., all telling the consistent story of Evolution. No, the correct
    analogous entity is GOD! Think about it: Long white beard (as "HE" is
    typically depicted), knows what you're doing, punishes you for doing bad,
    rewards you for doing good. How much closer to Santa Claus could you possibly
    get?! Oh yeah, and he's fictional.
  • Tom Repasky  - Can we really go back in time and pretend we don'
    From Wikipedia other references below
    In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of
    organisms from one generation to the next. Though changes produced in any one
    generation are normally small, differences accumulate with each generation and
    can, over time, cause substantial changes in the population, a process that can
    result in the emergence of new species.

    Seems that change (evolution) is the 'nature' of life. Without that 'change
    potential' most of life would have perished. THe ability to 'change' (evolve)
    and adapt to changes in the environment is not just nice, it is critical for
    life to develop and flourish. To presume that change does not occur and things
    remain as they were 'created' is to deny the ability of the human brain to learn
    how to process new information, to deny the ability of the human body to change
    and defend itself from parasites and bacteria (see Sickle Cell Anemia ...
  • FMCDOWELL  - Tom re; Wikipedia
    Tom Wikipedia is not a factual place for information. Especially since the edit
    line is right there for one and all to change

    If you believe in Creatism which you seem not to embrace, since you are
    defending Evolution, then you will not or can not accept that God created man
    and all of his gloriuos wondersin our bodies such as a brain to think. In Gensis
    God gives man charge over the earth and every living thing on the earth. Seems
    to me That is a pretty clear message to me that God gave the powers not
    evolution.Hence the brain to think, reason and develope cures.
  • chris Caldwell  - why
    I think you are extremely misled. If god is almighty and he created everything.
    then he created everything including evolution. Stop limiting the power of god.
    I am a christian and I believe in evolution. evolution itself is a measure of
    the power of god. It is the method. How else could we have the symbiotic
    relationship we do with all other species and life on earth.
    Stop this misled nonsense please. God is greater than this.
  • Jay  - Problems with the approach part 2
    others", a sense of persecution and victimhood, and striving for group
    purity through rigid dogma and intolerance.\r\n\r\nThis type of
    rigid thinking is exactly what Christ wanted to change when he spent time among
    gentiles, tax collectors and other untouchables.\r\n\r\nHow can
    Mr. Comfort possibly expect to convert a scientific and Atheist mind to Christ
    coming at them with such methods?
  • DJ  - Poor analogy Jay
    Jay, tell me the last time you heard of Christians beheading anyone? Or
    torturing them? Or being suicide bombers? If anyone does that, they cannot name
    the name of Christ. Radical Islam teaches you can go to Heaven by killing
    someone in the name of Jihad. Christianity says do not kill. The same?? I think
    not. By the way, where does Mr. Comfort show "hatred for others"?
  • Lynx  - DJ- Poor Attempt at Logic
    Christians beheading anyone: crusades, inquisition, French Revolution, modern
    examples aren't as publicized (the drug trade, a few sporadic examples in the
    US), but they are just as rare as in any other religion, beheading doesn't have
    a religion, and I feel ridiculous even discussing this, it bears no relevance as
    to what Comfort was saying in his introduction which was pure misinformation
    concerning Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam. That is hatred. That is defamation.
    It's wrong.

  • Professor of History  - Get it Straight.
    As to Christians beheading people, then citing 1)Crusades,2)Inquisition,
    3)French Revolution,4)Drug trade[?]--the 1)Crusades occurred because MUSLIMS
    invaded Palestine, and thought it a good idea to a)kidnap and enslave pilgrims,
    b)plunder Christian holy sites. The Crusades were REACTIVE. (and, by the way,
    slavery was reintroduced into the West by Muslim trade).2)The Inquisition was
    false "christian" power brokers killing off their competition--true
    church members, GENUINE Christians. 3)The French Revolutionaries actually
    paraded a nude woman through the streets of Paris, proclaiming her "the
    Goddess of Reason." Their aim was to ABSOLUTELY destroy all religion, to
    create an atheist society based on "reason" and "logic."
    Definately NOT Christian. and 4)HOW could you call the DRUG TRADE CHRISTIAN?!?!!


    I am tired of these false old chestnuts being trotted out to defame Jesus and
    His Gos...
  • Antitheist1  - I LIKEY, Prof!
    You've done some homework! So, let's have a little sport of it, shall we?
    1.Crusades. Yeah...Richard the Lionheart spent all his time at war, away from
    his people, 'cause he cared so much about jesus? 2. Inquisitions. The argument
    that the 'bad' people aren't REAL (insert whatever religion here) is B.S. The
    inquisition killed anyone the catholics felt like killing, in the most horrible
    possible ways. 3. I agree. Reason and Logic are anathema to christianity, and
    any other religion. 4. Why, since jesus told Bush to go to war, has Afghanistan
    gone from almost none of the heroin in the world to over 90%? Lemme guess,
    those aren't REAL christians, right?

    Please understand, I love studying history, and I hold profs. in the highest
    respect.
  • Professor of History  - Antitheist1-I LIKELY...
    Crusades...The fact is that in opposing the Muslim armies, Richard de Coer was
    helping keep what they perceived as Christian control over sites held
    sacred-sites that Christians could visit unmolested under such administration.
    The Inquisition was all about POWER. The reformation broke their power for
    millions by spreading literacy, allowing European civilization to truly
    progress. The Goddess of Reason was created to replace one god with another.
    The current replacement is EVOLUTION. --which is unreasoning. The drug trade you
    refer to here was to finance the Taliban and Al Quaida. Your last comment is
    appreciated.
  • Antitheist1  - Hehe...I can see...
    ...that I have my work cut out for me! Crusades; yup. No argument here.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Inquisition; You mean christian CONTROL.
    Yup. Exactly my point. Reformation; enabled by the invention of the printing
    press, which was first used to publish the KJV of the bible. Who was King
    James, and why did he so desperately want HIS version of the bible out there?
    Drug trade; under the rule of the Taliban, there was NO heroin crop in
    Afghanistan. Al Quaida did not exist before they were created by the US. The
    drug trade I speak of is worth almost exactly the same amount in the US as the
    legal pharmaceutical industry. I hope I got all that in before the cut off,
    Prof.
  • Jay  - Response to DJ
    DJ, thank you for your comment. Allow me to expand on the suitability of my
    comparison of fundamentalist doctrines. To restate, we have these aspects
    commmon to both:



    1. Persecution complex and sense of victimhood. Self evident on this website
    "They desperately want to stop us"???, and any viewing of a 700 club
    show will document an us against them mentality. I find these behaviors quite
    narcissistic, as if Atheists while away their hours thinking of anything but
    their own affairs.



    One google search on Islam brought up a quite depressing link: The Jewish War
    Against Global Islam. I also cite the recent "blasphemy laws" being
    sought in Muslim countries as more evidence of group victimhood and paranoia



    2. Membership by hatred for others. Can you honetly deny the daily outpouring
    of enmity for homosexuals and "liberals"? Would Christ be proud of such
    engagement?

    ...
  • Ken  - "Christian" murders
    DJ,
    What do you think was the religion of almost all of the citizens of Nazi
    Germany? You know, the nation that slaughtered so many Jews. I realize that the
    Nazi regime did pull back from having an official religion, but what about the
    German people? And, if the Pope is Catholic, and if Catholics are Christians,
    where was the resistance to these Nazi atrocities from the Vatican?
    Don't say "they weren't real Christians" -- my catechism came from
    Heidelberg. Martin Luther himself from Eisleben (Germany.) Nazi Germany was a
    nation of Christians. Uncomfortable, no doubt, but true. Also, the fire bombing
    of Tokyo (~100,000 deaths of civilians) and the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and
    Nagasaki (~180,000 deaths) were carried out by our Christian nation.
    To think Christian history is without violence is ignorant. Besides, I assume
    you "don't suffer a witch to live" or do you think that was just good
    advice for...
  • Professor of History  - Ken-"Christian" murders
    I think you ought to read what the Nazes themselves wrote. Hitler admired
    Darwin and Nietsche, and was, as were the other bigs, very strong in his belief
    in Aryan Reincarnation. Remember that business about the Nazi expedition to the
    Himalayas? That really happened to "prove" ancient Dravidian culture
    had really morphed and migrated to primeaval Germania. That is why Joseph and
    Magda Goebbels willingly killed ALL of their children within reach, and why they
    embraced death so willingly. The whole NAZI debacle was Darwinian with a
    capital "D."

    Tokyo. Whatta want, we drop flowers on 'em? We're talking Tojo there. Yep.
    Darwin fan too...
  • Antitheist1  - Hey!
    Half my family's Japanese. You ever been to Hiroshima? Go there, and have a
    look at photos of babies with thier eyes melted out of thier heads. The reread
    that commandment of yours...you know the one that says something about killing?
    There's no provisos there.



    Oh, but jeebus changed the law? Didn't he say something about the other cheek?
    Don't sell war and claim to follow the bible.
  • Antitheist1  - Oh yeah...
    ...and since you are a history prof., I thought you would have been informed on
    how the Japanese were trying to surrender to the Americans for three months
    prior to Hiroshima. The Americans refused to let them because the Japanese
    emperor was considered a decendant of izanagi and izanami, or the Japanese gods.
    They ruled that the emperor had to be declared a human, because jesus was
    supposed to be the only god, and the Japanese couldn't understand why thier
    2000-year-old imperical dynasty had to end. Religion was the reason those bombs
    were dropped.
  • Professor of History  - Antitheist1-Hey!
    Not selling war at all. I feel the Navy should have been used to blocade Japan,
    as we could have done so. Old boy friendships between Truman, Henry Stimson,
    and the other higher-ups nixed that. Truman was no Christian, but a hard-core
    Freemason. I Know that a Naval Intelligence agent named Zacharius(?) wrote just
    after the war how the Japanese were making enquiries regarding surrender, but
    mistakenly approached the Russians, who WANTED the war extended enough to allow
    the slaughter that followed. There was intense military pressure to 1)prepare an
    invasion, with horrific casualties, and 2) to use this new freaky device--the
    A-Bomb. Just ONE WEEK would have sufficed to work something out.
  • Professor of History  - Antitheist1-Oh yeah...
    In case you were wondering about the brutal nature of the war, I could refer you
    to the Rape of Nanking, and all sorts of things that were widely reported in the
    press about the "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere." The Japanese
    armies were not nice folks, and the fear they engendered was deep and
    lasting.Bushido did not allow for "civilized war," whatever that may be.
    But this was a case of casting down a power that threatened millions of
    innocents. By the way, Nagasaki was THE Christian population center in Japan.
    Stimson chose it as a target. I would have chosen --Blockade, until Tojo cried
    "uncle." I would say "decency" was the reason Tenno had to go.

    By the way-I saw in your posts that you play banjo. That is one thing I wish I
    knew.
  • Antitheist1  - YESYESYES!
    I lived in Japan for years, and I've been trying to teach what you just posted
    to the Japanese students I taught for...well, kids these days just don't
    appreciate history!

    On the blockade, that was what got the US into WW2 in the first place! Use half
    the navy (the good half) to blockade Japan from it's food and oil supply, China
    and Korea (Don't worry, I'm no Nanjing denier. I do, however, also know that
    they treated thier soldiers about as badly as they treated enemies) resulting in
    Pearl Harbour being attacked to force the blockade to go home, which was the
    plan in the first place (egg on the Japanese to attack to raise political will
    for a war).

    Also, as seen in Iraq; The people hurt by sanctions are never the ones we're
    trying to hurt.
  • Antitheist1  - And the Banjo thing;
    Banjos are easy! They get tuned to an open G, so you can 1-finger barre-chord
    just about anything in a major key, and minors are almost as easy. The real
    work is in the right hand.



    Tell you what; get your hands on a banjo, and I'd be glad to send you some
    e-lessons (video files with tablature) for free. Just keep going with the
    history! I just finished the history of ancient Rome via audiobook (starting
    with the Romulus legend, ending around the formation of the Holy Roman Empire,
    which was none of those three words...). I enjoyed it so much that I listened
    to the whole 50 lectures in just three days. Maybe I need a second wife, if I
    have that much spare time, eh?
  • Stephen  - Christian Violence?
    Ahem, I don't know if DJ is indicative of all Christians with his head in the
    sand but have you folks heard of Inquisition? Or how about the Salem witch
    tortures and burnings? The Holy Wars perhaps? History is littered with carnage
    committed in the name of the Lord. All religions are the same; they are myths
    based on unprovable suppositions that are created and perpetuated by people for
    their own personal gain.
  • Glen  - personal gain?
    What gain do I get from hearing nonbelievers call me names? What persoanal
    benefit do I get out of violent actions perpetuated on me because I say nothing
    more than I beleive? Christ is not an unproveable supposition! I did not creat
    Him! Nor did any other beleiver for that mater. Furthermore, Christ is not a
    myth! Now for your "religion" argument...works do nothing to impress
    God; They are seen as an attempted bribe. God does not accept bribes. He is
    Righteous. All these lists of atricities are humans that know not the Father.
    So you reject God as a result of sinful men?! Come on! Where did that thinking
    cap go!
  • Antitheist1  - Yeah, where?
    Hey, G-man! You still didn't answer me on this one, and I kinda think it's
    important; who created the evil? I reject YOUR notion of said god based on the
    absence of evidence, topped with the evil part of the world!
  • Glen
    Of course you reject it. It is your only option! Evil is rebellion against
    God. Satan did this. it is his actions Jesus crushed when he died on the cross
    and was raised from death to life. Since you claimed to have been a Messianic
    Jew you already know this. But since you have rejected His gift of
    Righteousness you cannot come back.
  • Damned by Glen1  - Question....
    ...if there were no god, then you would be evil? I mean, if there were no
    eternal punishment, how low do you think you'd sink? Are you good for rewards,
    or punishment? How would you act without the almighty police eye in the sky?
  • Glen  - causality
    Anti-theist, you are confusing primary and secondary causality.
  • Antitheist1  - Of course!
    They are indeed old arguments, but I've never heard a satisfactory explination.
    Please, educate me!
  • Jay  - Problems with the approach
    I heard about the book give away on CNN, and was drawn to the website to find a
    point by point attack on Darwin's scientific method, with supporting evidence.



    Mr. Comfort made a remote (and,perhaps unknown to him) allusion to Thomas
    Aquinas' Summa Theoligia, which contains the beautiful, rational, and logical
    Cosmological Arguments for the existence of God.



    Instead of drawing on this existing 800 year old resource, he attacks Darwin in
    an Ad Homemin style, which is most distasteful.



    I perceive that many Atheists do not accept God out of lack of scientific
    evidence(Albert Einstein, et al.), not from some spite driven embrace of immoral
    practices or view points.



    As a Christian, I am deeply turned off and disgusted by the all encompassing
    paranoia and hatefulness found in Fundamentalist Christianity. Like Radical
    Islamists, I see these common traits: membership bound in hatred of "the
    ...
  • Don Jennings  - Couldn't agree more
    The so-called forward is just another ad hominem attack on Darwin himself, which
    just goes to show you how desperate ray whatitsname is to kill evolution. For
    one thing, evolution does not even address the issue of the origins of life, it
    ONLY talks about the way changes come about, so you can be free to be totally
    Christian and still believe in evolution.
    The pope gave a nod to Darwin, so why can't the radical right do the same? What
    is there about Darwin that frightens them so? Does this mr. Ray think if we
    don't rid the world of the evils of evolution that Christianity is doomed or
    some such rot? Hey Ray, do you even know what Ad Hominem IS? Google it, you can
    find out just HOW effective it is as an argumentative tool.
  • james  - here is a quote from the legendary atheist Aldous
    who would disagree with you about the reason he and other athiests deny the
    existence of God:



    "I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently, I
    assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying
    reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world
    is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics (whether or not
    God could exist); he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason
    why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not
    seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to
    themselves...For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an
    instrument of liberation, sexual and political."



    the thing about naturalistic science and faith in God is that they both operate
    on preconceptions, as all systems of thought do. one come...
  • Anonymous
    wow...just wow... this is amazing that people can use this information on this
    site and claim that it is evidence FOR God. I mean come on... no physicist is
    saying that there was NOTHING before the big bang...and his concept of a dog
    trying to find a female is laughable... this guy isn't using common sense!
    Simple because some people don't believe in the christian god doesn't mean they
    aren't moral! You think Gandhi is a bad person!?!?! I would rather be down in
    hell (which I don't believe in) with Gandhi than in heaven with any of the
    murderous crusaders or witch burners that claim to be Christians.
  • Bob  - Please spare us your foolish clap-trap!
    A thoughtful person should have no difficulty reconciling evolution and a belief
    in the Creator.

    God's hand and his plan for creation can be clearly seen in the beauty and
    elegance of evolution.

    Use the brain that he gave you for something other than blindly following the
    ignorant and ultimately self-defeating path of absolute creationism

    Bob
  • DJ  - God did not use evolution
    Sorry guys. God and evolution do not mix. Maybe your made-up god does, but the
    God of the Bible created the world in seven days. And according to Genesis, sin
    and death did not enter the world until Eve and the forbidden fruit. In an
    evolutionary timetable, billions of years would have had to pass without death,
    until humans (Adam) evolved, therefore making evolution and the God of the Bible
    irreconcilable. If you don't believe Genesis, fine. But don't think evolution
    can work with the Biblical account of the beginning.
  • Dylan  - Metaphor
    Hello DJ,

    I wonder if you ever thought of Genesis being a metaphor. Or to what
    credibility the text owes. If you think of the creation as a metaphor, a rather
    beautiful and elegant one at that, especially considering the time period in
    which it was written, then it is easy to reconcile it with evolution. I am not
    saying it was wrong. I am simply arguing that a book written (in several
    versions) by the tribes of Israel during their occupation by the Babylonians,
    bearing similar themes as creation myths all over the world, may have a limited
    credibility in being accepted as absolute fact. It is very difficult to have an
    intelligent conversation about such a topic if the only argument on your side
    is, "It's in the bible, and thus it must be true, as God wrote it." Men
    wrote the bible. Men are fallible. Doesn't that make it more worthwhile
    though?
  • Peter  - Such anger
    As a Christian, it saddens me to see so much seething anger expressed in these
    comments, and none more vituperative than some from those who claim to be from
    the side that above all should be flowing with love and compassion.

    The mistake made by most strict creationists is that they tend to create God in
    their own image. They limit God as to what tools of creation he can and cannot
    use; to what timeline they will allow God to follow. They put God in a very
    small box that looks a lot like them.

    My God is too big for me to define or to limit. Remember that Darwin was
    himself a seminary graduate. He did not deny the existence of God or the
    possibility of intelligent design. Some of his writings and letters include
    Hosannas in praise of creation and God's miracle of evolution that brought it to
    be what it was.
  • james  - why a "Christian" if your God is too big for you
    all God has to be in order for limits to be needed is existence. the same goes
    for any truth for that matter.



    the truth excludes all other takes on reality as true by its very nature.



    see the above comment about how evolution cannot be if God's word is true b/c
    the Bible says that all death is the result of the curse laid on the world
    through sin; evolution demands that before man existed, an uncountable number of
    things lived and died as they evolved upward.
  • Carter
    I understand that your idea of intelligent design is from the idea that a
    superior intelligence could have been responsible for the diversity of life on
    this planet and the existence of humanity.

    That is possible. It may, however, have nothing to do with the bible. We must
    all search for the truth in our own way. Don't force your subjective beliefs
    down the throats of others, declaring that you are right and they are wrong.
    Myopic stalemates reek of failure for all.
  • Carter  - What's next
    What's next, are you going add a disclaimer to the Theory of Relativity, and
    fight for a geocentric model of our solar system to be taught as an alternative
    to heliocentric?
  • brady johnson  - lost
    how can get a copy of Origin of Species?
  • Dave  - google "project gutenburg" it's free
    There are lots of good books there. Keep reading.
  • A&M Undergrad  - Laughable at Best
    Your neighbors here in College Station agree. I picked up a copy after reading
    online about the planned book release. His arguments are laughable at best and
    pale in comparison with the scientific rigor that Darwin's theory has endured.
    Mostly his addition personally attacks Darwin's character. Typical of the circa
    1800s ignorance he so graciously included and cited! My only objection to the
    book is its deceitful nature. Comfort could have easily handed out copies of
    his own book, as his introduction is just a series of quick summaries of his
    past work. However, he hid them in a great work of scientific discovery.
    Evolution Theory has come a long way since Darwin. It would have been nice to
    see him argue against one of the newer comprehensive works out there. A good
    look through his citations at the end of the introduction shows that very few
    works on evolution were cited; the ones that were cited were obviously limite...
  • coastalaggie  - FYI
    I do not understand Christians who pick and choose what science they want to
    agree with. News Flash!!!, the same scientific method and process that is used
    to gather the million pieces of data that support evolution is used in vaccine
    development, cancer research, etc. If you do not support evolution then you
    should not support vaccines! In fact you should loath them and picket every flu
    vaccine clinic because guess what. The scientific method based on evolutionary
    processes were used to create that vaccine. In fact, you should be picketing
    every scientific endeavor. But no. You turn your back on science when it
    supports evolution but flock to it when you want medicine. Wake up folks and
    stop turning your brain off. You can support evolution and still be a great
    Christian. If anything, evolution shows just how tremendous God can be.



    Spiritual scientist
  • john oconnor  - Spreading the Message
    Religion is just a fear of mortality.
  • John Warren  - No Fear of Mortality
    I agree with you that religion is a fear of mortality.
    Thus, I humbly thank God for His Son and the Truth of the Gospel which takes
    that fear away.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?...1 Corinthians
    15:55
  • denise
    thank God someone is brave enough to go on to campuses where anything goes and
    confront evil . with the truth of the gospel
  • Tyler  - I got a book!
    So I was blindsided by someone giving out free Origin of Species on campus. I
    already read it once but can
  • Tim Weakley
    Great job Ray, I am shocked that the amount of people offended by a FREE
    book,this book cost the reader nothing. Why are these people so upset about
    something that they say they don't believe in? Could it be that they have doubts
    about there own beliefs. When talking to most of the atheist all I hear is where
    is your proof and here are fifty pages of FACT (and where the information can be
    found) but you still call FACT fiction.





    All of the atheist are welcome to put your own money up to put out any book that
    you would like to give away. Please let us know when and where you will be doing
    this I would like to pick up a copy.
  • Damned by Glen1  - Ahhh...freedom!
    I teach guitar, and banjo, as well as several martial arts. What would you like
    to learn? You won't have to pick up a copy, I'll send it to you!



    But I warn you; I don't believe in god!
  • Damned by Glen1  - WHAT?
    It would appear that Tim won't take free knowledge! Try this; if you go to
    Richard Dawkins website, he has HOURS of video lectures available for free
    (including a 5 hour lecture held at Cambridge). He's not exactly hiding his
    info!
  • eisoj  - ...
    ok tim, how bout the god delusion by richard dawkins....?
  • John C.  - As long as Darwin's text hasn't been tampered wi
    .... this stunt might actually boost interest in the so-called "new
    atheism." I agree with Comfort that intelligent students are likely to see
    the absurdity of creationist claims when they're juxtaposed with Darwin's
    masterful and inspiring explanation of natural evolution. Don't destroy these
    books, and don't ignore the religious introduction! Read the whole tome, then
    read "The Greatest Show on Earth," Richard Dawkins's new exposition of
    the massive evidence for evolution that has accumulated since Darwin's time.
  • Mike Chesser  - Upset Christian
    Um, I'm Christian and I find offense in tactic of attacking Charles Darwin, a
    noted abolitionist and a brilliant man.

    It is good to see the interest which this book has stimulated, but I fail to see
    how making a connection between Hitler and Darwin furthers things in God's
    Kingdom!?! He was motivated by his desire to show man as having coming from the
    same Person i.e. black, white, everyone in between...

    I will confess that I have not read the Origin of Species, but it's on my todo
    list, just as soon as I finish the OT & NT. Then I'll be able to take an
    objective view of this 'critical' book.

    ... and by the way, I did vote for President Obama!

    "For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it."

  • David A. Smith
    Excellant reply, I Couldn't agree with you

    more. Christian / Agnostic
  • Glen  - oxymoron
    one cannot claim to be a Christian and claim to be agnostic. Claiming such
    makes you a liar.
  • Anonymous  - Well Sone on the free giveaway
    Awesome Job!!!
  • Peter Shier  - "Angry Atheists"
    Your main page cites backlash from "angry atheists". I do not agree
    with your position overall and I think subverting Darwin
  • Nelson  - Proverbs 14:25
    "A deceitful witness speaketh lies" Proverbs 14:25. If Mr. Comfort's
    arguments had any validity he wouldn't try to sneak them in through this trojan
    horse of a publication. "He who begins by loving Christianity better than
    truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity,
    and end in loving himself better than all." - Samuel Taylor Coleridge. I
    suspect Ray Comfort is quite in love with himself.

  • UT undergrad  - Please Christians, chill
    Hello to all. I am a student at the University of Texas at Austin and the other
    day I was blindsided by someone offering me a free Origin of Species. When I
    arrived home, however, I noticed some guy named Ray Comfort wrote a "special
    introduction." "Awesome!" I thought, "Who is this Ray? A
    geologist? A biologist?" No. A Christian preacher (or something like that?).
    Since then, I have been researching everything I can on your group here.

    The most common argument from your side regarding this book seems to be:
    "Let's put both sides out there and if our views are ignorant, then surely
    college students will recognize this and throw our views out." Well guess
    what? The verdict is in and we're casting your arguments aside. I have yet to
    mention this free book giveaway around campus without hearing laughter. WE DON'T
    WANT TO READ YOUR WASTE OF TIME THEOLOGY.

    Please! We are future scient...
  • Dave  - Instead of ridiculing...ask yourself this
    What do you think the Christians' motive is in handing out this book?
  • UT undergrad  - Apparently the message was cut off
    I was saying that we here are future scientists and politicians. We are not
    fooled by your obvious lack of scientific understanding. If you truly believe
    there are NO transitional fossils or that that the mapping of the human genome
    does not aid the theory of evolution then your motives are clear: You are either
    willfully ignorant because you desire peace rather than truth or you actually
    believe you might save us (pun intended) from these heathen professors.

    However you want to spin that, go ahead. But again, please confine your lack of
    reasoning to Sunday school. We're trying to study real events here, not dissect
    magical fairy tales. Thank you.
  • Professor of History  - UT undergrad
    The scarey part is ...and politicians. I don't think I want to have
    Evolutionary thought processes deciding what will become of my in my
    "golden" years.



    Soylent Green, anyone?



    Oh, right, all those retired "old people," the World War II veterans and
    that ilk, I guess that now that they're "old and useless," we should
    utilize our "biological imperative" under "cost-benefit analysis
    principles"...



    and sentence them in front of the "death panel," duly appointed by our
    fellow Gen-Xers and Gen-Yers. Strange, isn't it, that the very sorts who
    denigrated the Vietnam Veterans will be able to see them ground into meat mush
    and bone meal for the common good?
  • Glen  - LOL
    Soylent Green Ha, HA, Ha. Humor! I love it!

    Professor that was a most enjoyable post!
  • Antitheist1  - For once...
    ...we absolutely agree on something! I do hope that science figures out a way
    to prevent the crotchety-cracker-spread, 'cause there's NO WAY I'mma be caught
    dead eatin' grampas tuckas!



    I'm not the prayin' type, but I think we can all agree to pray that that never
    happens!
  • Pastor Kolade Akin  - well done
    You guys are doing a great job. Keep it up and don't allow any intimidation to
    stop you. The lost will be saved.